Forcing NA Duty Finder to be better, we need a grading system.

[Archaell]

Hurr durr I'm going out of the healer's range because eff that guy, I want to get them penalized when the mob does Killemall Deathbringingko because it's unavoidable after I take a hit of Omfgwhydidntumove Umoron.

I would give you the commendation if you sacrificed your own rank to give the healer a little setback - because you know, dead bodies get no score and I doubt the healer would waste mana on you after that.

btw. There is no need to penalize for anything, simply award points for every action.

[mp-please]

Hurr durr I'm going out of the healer's range because eff that guy, I want to get them penalized when the mob does Killemall Deathbringingko because it's unavoidable after I take a hit of Omfgwhydidntumove Umoron.

[MihaelB]

Not even sure the servers could handle this the way the make it sound if someone sneezes it could crash the server as it currently stands lol. That I don't see this really doing anything in the end people are still going to play how they play /shrug.

The main crux of the recording and processing of data already exists. You can see it by just toggling all your system battle information in game already which is needed for parses and your chat screen will end up looking like this.

[MihaelB]

Just had a DPS mentor do less damage than a sprout healer.. surely something needs to be done.

[Tolmos]

Honestly, this would probably work. It isn't hard-locking anyone; as the OP said, if you don't have people of your own grade to play with, it will adjust to get you into a group. But it will prioritize putting people in your own ranking level. So just because you are an F does not mean you will never play again, but rather that it will try to group you with fellow Fs first, then Ds, then Cs, etc.

This would be useful even for the Fs. One thing that is a big turn off for many MMOers is getting into a group with people outside their play skill / style range. If you are an S ranked player and you are playing with an F ranked player, you will feel frustrated. On the same token, if you are the F ranked player with an S rank trying to rush the group and getting upset at your mistakes, you are going to feel stressed. Neither player in that situation is particularly enjoying themselves.

[Kallera]

Honestly, this would probably work. It isn't hard-locking anyone; as the OP said, if you don't have people of your own grade to play with, it will adjust to get you into a group. But it will prioritize putting people in your own ranking level. So just because you are an F does not mean you will never play again, but rather that it will try to group you with fellow Fs first, then Ds, then Cs, etc.

This would be useful even for the Fs...

The problem is that everyone is then punished for the lack of progress achieved. say you were that s ranked player, but you are looking for a group at the wrong time, so you get saddled with the players doing poorly. if you stay with the group, you will risk losing your standing as their wipes get counted as your own.

[FinaSel]

Pairing F ranked players with other F ranked players isn't doing them any favors with teaching them how to improve either.

On the other hand, if an F ranked player is with an S ranked player, they can observe the other player's movements and actions and learn from them.

While I was leveling up BLM, I actually watched the actions of BLM in my parties when I was playing as a WHM.
People will become better by being in groups with others who are better than themselves.

The problem isn't ranks or pairing people with similar skills together. The problem is people aren't willing to teach others how to become players AND that players aren't willing to take the advice of people who are more veteran.
I think this is why SE made the mentor system. To give a way for people to do just this. Unfortunately, the system is abused by a lot of people.

[Anienai]

Just had a DPS mentor do less damage than a sprout healer.. surely something needs to be done.

How could you tell?

[Jynx]

The real problem people seem to think is that the bad players could get better if only they had the proper encouragement whether you try and form it through a positive or negative reinforcement system the fact of the matter is that 90%(Made up statistics for lulz) of "bads" are bad because they just don't care to play to your standards 100% of the time or don't care to learn at all.

The only form of reinforcement that can be had with these people is within the community but due to the anon function of the duty finder it's impossible to enforce any sort of social norm of actually trying to play the game instead of running around on auto-pilot. This is just the sad reality of what this kind of system attracts for player quality. No amount of grades or meters will resolve this issue in the duty finder the only solution is to not use the duty finder but that's not going to happen as people are addicted to the convenience but unable to swallow the bitter medicine of the quality of players they are bound to find.

When the backbone of your games content encourages just mind numbingly grinding the same content your bound to not only find inexperience, bad, and new players but you also get the subsect who are literally zoned out and going through the motions to complete a task they have done multiple times in the same day/week/month.

[Snugglebutt]

How could you tell?

My guess is he is using a parser or is making it up to add fictional weight to his argument for his threads topic, the latter of the two wouldn't surprise me.