Forcing NA Duty Finder to be better, we need a grading system.

[Kallera]

I think it's a good system.

I myself have had cases where i give out advices and is immediately called out for being an elitist... even though I clearly am a mentor at the time with a huge crown icon beside my name.

Anyways, at least with this system I would know how well I perform, if not anything else.

The system is rigged against a learning player and would cause new high lvl entries in pf to be avoided like the plague. it also puts more of a stink on having patience for the new player. Now they are the one to screw up not just this run, but your other runs after this one.

[Eldevern]

The point about advice it is not all people are agree and ready to listen advice from people they don't know. It can sounds like despising especially since there are players who suffer of a little lack of diplomacy when they give advices.

The matter is the game is not designed to fill any kind of ego or individual competition, but, for SE, to make money. And I really doubt they create a grading system. Why? First it is not FF concept and they will never create a system that could show that players are not as good as they sometimes imagine and, upset will leave the game. Remember : money matters.

Little edit :
PVP is made for competition, Player vs Player, Team vs Team.
PVE is not, PVE is Team vs Environment or Player vs Environment, environment that is not designed to lead to any kind of comparision between players or team, then to imagine anything that could lead to compare players of the same team...

[dekal]

..The matter is the game is not designed to fill any kind of ego or individual competition, but, for SE, to make money... Remember : money matters.

I completely agree with this. SE is a company and what really matter is money. At least over 51% of the player database actually speak up and demand to make changes, they won't make any. Plus we have so many different types of players that making this game a some type of school would be bad for a corporation that just want money from different type of people.

[Critical-Limit]

How is it more toxic? If these "elitist" you find toxic can no longer play with you or bug you. They'll be shuffled into their own group. How does that make it toxic just curious.

Honest question.

[Kallera]

How is it more toxic? If these "elitist" you find toxic can no longer play with you or bug you. They'll be shuffled into their own group. How does that make it toxic just curious.

Honest question.

Maintaining standing would become more important than niceities or sticking with a player. Ever see how sometimes in a 24 man, people start accusing others of intentionally wiping the alliance? Apply that suspicion to all lvl 60 content, and you have this system at work. Unlike the 24 man complaints however, there is a real consequence of having that player stay and make the party look bad to the game. (That White Mage that keeps stacking on me during cleaves when i need heals, is not only ruining my mhach run, but the roulettes I'm going to do later, if i get ranked down.) This does not facilitate learning, this facilitates kicks and removal.

[elemental10]

(That White Mage... is not only ruining my mhach run, but the roulettes I'm going to do later, if i get ranked down.) This does not facilitate learning, this facilitates kicks and removal.

Unless you tell her where she went wrong? If you do that and she still does it, then it's not your fault.

[Kallera]

Unless you tell her where she went wrong? If you do that and she still does it, then it's not your fault.

pretty sure the resources required to set up a game system precise enough to track the advice I give, and determine if I should be affected would be beyond the devs...and just creepy.

[Critical-Limit]

Maintaining standing would become more important than niceities or sticking with a player. Ever see how sometimes in a 24 man, people start accusing others of intentionally wiping the alliance? Apply that suspicion to all lvl 60 content, and you have this system at work. Unlike the 24 man complaints however, there is a real consequence of having that player stay and make the party look bad to the game. (That White Mage that keeps stacking on me during cleaves when i need heals, is not only ruining my mhach run, but the roulettes I'm going to do later, if i get ranked down.) This does not facilitate learning, this facilitates kicks and removal.

I could see people possibly kicking more often to avoid a possible rank down.

But assuming your good. You'd most likely wouldn't get those people based on OP.

This would only hurt lower level people who are just barely about to get out of low tier rank.

[Eldevern]

The problem, in order to fairly progress, we need practice and if you really want people practice, you need slower levelling. Problem, people want to reach the level 60 as fast as possible and people who already have a level 60 want their second, third or whatever job to be 60 as fast as possible too.

All grading system in the world will never change that or you need to differentiate the pace of levelling depending the "skill" of each player. But who is judge? SE? Do you really imagine they will spend time and money for something that will make fly away a lot of players?

You will NEVER find a solution that suits to all players especially since it is a game, a leisure, an entertainment in which not all people are looking for the same thing and, specificaly for FF, it is not a environment build for competition between players. I saw a comparison with soccer, but this is totally wrong, FF has nothing to compare with a league even local but rather is close form the soccer ball and players, some people who want to play with the ball, some will want to play for fun, nothing serious, other will want to play a "serious" match and will want to compare to each other. FF is not the soccer league or even the local club, it is the ball with which you play.

[PharisHanasaki]

I go in the DF because PF is full of elitist, whinny, and picky players. I've made better progress when joining the DF that when looking for groups because these 'good' players refuse to play if you don't do things their way, and bring their drama everywhere. If you're so picky, just make a static that's your level. I like learning, improving, and then teaching mechanics. If you're so 'good' or don't have patience, don't join a random party in PF.

Seriously. Not everyone who complains about elitists refuses to get better. I record my runs to analyze later, and see how I performed. I've tweaked my play style and have grown a lot. I take real advice seriously. Yet when I try to join a PF there's always this rotten apple with a diva complex that starts complaining at whoever isn't doing things the way they had done for years. I gave up on PF.

Also, this idea is one of the worst I've seen on the forums yet. But I appreciate the time you put into your post.