End Game and Raid Finder

[Ilan]

I disagree. Many of the raids require you to raid multiple times and acquire multiple drops, some of which are restricted to once a week in order to actually get something out of it. On top of that, you probably have to invest three hours or more (assuming they are all successes) at a night in order to collect those rewards. You would have to maintain that raid group for two months. It is something that a lot of people just don't have the time for. This is what makes it not worth it and easier to just wait for the next patch.

For you it may be a waste of time but there are many players out there who play FF14 only because of the raids because EX roulette and wiping city is no endgame for them. And again: If people don't have the time to go raiding in a static, they don't need that gear because this is gear for raids. And of course you have to farm a while to have your gear, because if you would get it so fast as most of the lazy people want, they have nothing else to do then complaining how boring the game is. Not to mention that you farm even for the lore gear quite a while.

But as i can see, you don't like to raid, you never raided and you will never raid. Otherwise you wouldn't write about a waste of time.

[Blanchimont]

For you it may be a waste of time but there are many players out there who play FF14 only because of the raids because EX roulette and wiping city is no endgame for them. And again: If people don't have the time to go raiding in a static, they don't need that gear because this is gear for raids. And of course you have to farm a while to have your gear, because if you would get it so fast as most of the lazy people want, they have nothing else to do then complaining how boring the game is. Not to mention that you farm even for the lore gear quite a while.

But as i can see, you don't like to raid, you never raided and you will never raid. Otherwise you wouldn't write about a waste of time.

I just don't like raids in FFXIV because of arbitrary time limits and nearly every mistake leads to an unrecoverable one hit kill. I do raids in other games though. If their raids actually required skill instead of items, I would probably be more inclined to participate. The weekly drop limits are just a further discouragement and seeks to punish those that are actually willing to invest their time in a raid. If you actually want to get something out of raids, you have to succeed at it for a month or more straight before you even get anything out of it. On top of that, it's only available for end game gear and is pointless for everyone else. Games need to stop trying World of Warcraft's raid style and do something different instead of using lockouts to delay player progression.

[Ilan]

I just don't like raids in FFXIV because of arbitrary time limits and nearly every mistake leads to an unrecoverable one hit kill. I do raids in other games though. If their raids actually required skill instead of items, I would probably be more inclined to participate. The weekly drop limits are just a further discouragement and seeks to punish those that are actually willing to invest their time in a raid. If you actually want to get something out of raids, you have to succeed at it for a month or more straight before you even get anything out of it. On top of that, it's only available for end game gear and is pointless for everyone else. Games need to stop trying World of Warcraft's raid style and do something different instead of using lockouts to delay player progression.

Like i said you don't like to raid, at least here and then you don't have to care about the gear that you get there but its still not a waste of time for the people who like to raid here. I like the raids here because its no brain afk stuff and i am pretty sure that we are far away from raids in WoW since there are enough former WoW players who cry about our raids.

If the raids here are only possible for people with end game gear, how could groups beat it in 210 gear? And to be honest it is not hard to get at least ilvl 220 gear combined with some lore and wiping city gear but if that is already to much effort for you, then you are really not in the right game.

[Blanchimont]

Like i said you don't like to raid, at least here and then you don't have to care about the gear that you get there but its still not a waste of time for the people who like to raid here. I like the raids here because its no brain afk stuff and i am pretty sure that we are far away from raids in WoW since there are enough former WoW players who cry about our raids.

If the raids here are only possible for people with end game gear, how could groups beat it in 210 gear? And to be honest it is not hard to get at least ilvl 220 gear combined with some lore and wiping city gear but if that is already to much effort for you, then you are really not in the right game.

Then you should be trying to encourage new players to participate in raiding, not locking them out. As it stands, the current system serves as something to slow character progression and prevent them from taking part in the new raids.

You forget that Tomestone of Lore and Weeping City have lockouts. Even if I wanted to farm gear there, the game prevents me from doing so. I have been farming for ilvl 220 gear from Alexander Midas, but after several dozen runs, I'm still short 1 Shaft and 2 Bolts from getting a full set. However, raid groups on Ultros refuse to even talk to you unless you have a full set of ilvl 230+ already.

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You need alot of skill to get through the raid before echo and nerfs.

Just the later turns need more gear. Thats made to slow down the progression and I don't know any game, thats doing this different.

And that is something that needs to change. Just because other games are doing this doesn't mean it's always the right thing to do. Maybe you'd have more people interested in raids if they could actually gear up to do them. I don't consider a lot of the raids skill because failing a mechanic is punished with instant death and instant death is never a test of skill. It's a test of memorization and if you take too long, you die anyways.

[Artorias112]

I like to ask what is your definition of skill? And what do you consider a raid fight that requires skill and not memorization? Isn'the the whole point of end game raiding to test the players ability to execute under extreme punishing condition? Like be able to react/perform the mechanics without failing. If the end game fight does not present that challenge then what is the point?

[thegreatonemal]

I like to ask what is your definition of skill? And what do you consider a raid fight that requires skill and not memorization? Isn'the the whole point of end game raiding to test the players ability to execute under extreme punishing condition? Like be able to react/perform the mechanics without failing. If the end game fight does not present that challenge then what is the point?

Because it is just memorization the bosses do the same thing at the exact same time every single time you fight the only variation being you may or may not be selected as "aoe circle target A" or "tether to south side of map". the only challenge being able to maintain your rotations/buffs for as long as you can.

[Zojha]

Because it is just memorization the bosses do the same thing at the exact same time every single time you fight the only variation being you may or may not be selected as "aoe circle target A" or "tether to south side of map".

Well, the alternative is randomization of mechanics, in which case you need to make sure they are still beatable even if RNG decides to really eff you over. After all, a boss can't do more than he is coded to do.

Plus, any reaction time check is affected by latency, so testing that is often more of an internet provider check.

So yeah...they could try around a bit more with the randomization, but that's really all that works well in an MMO setting. It's a bit more effort on the dev part, but doable.

[Artorias112]

This raid tier have random mechanics i.e., A6s Brawler Cannon/drill, A7s jails combo. The fact of the matter is that in a game like this there can't be 100% rng in mechanics otherwise it would be almost impossible to clear for 99% of the people. Can you imagine the ffxiv boss acts like bloodborne or dark souls series? How many ppl will complain the game is too hard? Not to discount your suggestion bit is there a successful MMO out there that does 100% rng mechanics and no memorization?

[KarstenS]

And that is something that needs to change. Just because other games are doing this doesn't mean it's always the right thing to do.

And when they do this, they can remove the chests. Whats the reason to get gear in the raid, when there is no need for said gear?

But if other people would love to see it accessible to players without a static than it shouldn't be your business.

Making it acessible to people without a static would mean: ease it up ... alot.

This should not be our business, when people ask to touch the onliest challanging content in the game?

[Archaell]

And when they do this, they can remove the chests. Whats the reason to get gear in the raid, when there is no need for siad gear?

Don't forget that you need said gear to carry all the lazy and bad players! Better your gear, more lazy the majority of community can be!

The raids can't work without the gear. It would be possible if gear (stat wise) was removed entirely from the game and we were left with glamours... but can you imagine our community to do all the content at the minimal ilvl? That would be so hilarious!