End Game and Raid Finder

[salvatore87h]

Hi to all. Im play FFXIV since ARR launch and i never had a static group to do end game.
I think that the current system is too penalizing for people like me who can not form a static group. Raid finder don't work (180 miniutes of queque and i'm pld). In PF people never join and they are right, since then with their static they would have a treasure in less. So people can't enter and help other people.
Players like me (and i have cleared A5S in PF) who pay the subscription as well, have the same right to access end-game contents even as others which have a static group. So i think it would be appropriate, at least, add the midas savage in Duty Finder so people can train this contents and after try to form a kill group on PF. What do you think about this?

[Zojha]

What do you think about this?

Isn't raid finder kinda the same as duty finder for raids...? What would putting it into duty finder accomplish?

[salvatore87h]

It should be the same but in Duty Finder old Coil began. In Raid Finder midas never starts

[KarstenS]

It should be the same but in Duty Finder old Coil began.

Coil wasn't in dutyfinder before second Coil and it wasn't solo queueable before echo and nerfs. (Same for second and final coil).

And the reason the raidfinder is working this way is because of some mechanics will never be doable, if some classes are missing. This was the main reason for the nerfs when opening up Coil for DF without a full party.

And at last the way the limit break is working in savage content is a reason the raidfinder will not allow 2 of the same job to be in one group when you select "clear".

BTW: It would really surprise me, if any "Raidfinder" group outside of japan will ever beat a single turn of midas.

who pay the subscription as well, have the same right to access end-game contents

This argument is getting old. Grouping up for raiding is part of raiding, because: this is a MMO! Its not the game that is holding you back. Its just you. When you have not the effort to find or make a group, than you have not the effort to get good enough for beating the content. Compared to later turns, A5 is very easy.

[Ilan]

Hi to all. Im play FFXIV since ARR launch and i never had a static group to do end game.
I think that the current system is too penalizing for people like me who can not form a static group. Raid finder don't work (180 miniutes of queque and i'm pld). In PF people never join and they are right, since then with their static they would have a treasure in less. So people can't enter and help other people.
Players like me (and i have cleared A5S in PF) who pay the subscription as well, have the same right to access end-game contents even as others which have a static group. So i think it would be appropriate, at least, add the midas savage in Duty Finder so people can train this contents and after try to form a kill group on PF. What do you think about this?

To be honest its not the games fault if you are not able to form a static. You always can join PF groups if they are looking for someone or just create a trainings party yourself or find some friends who are able to go and do it with you to times where you have time to play.

Midas savage in DF would never work since your would have 2 of the same classes or for example 4 bards, 2 sch and 2 war. How will you clear any turn with this group without nerfs and echo? Not to mention all the complains that will follow if people can't beat it in DF because of the named reasons.

[Hammerhorn]

This is raiding I spend months putting a team together that can play on set days and times , who mentally gel together , who train together , savage is not instant gratification you gotta put the work in if you wanna be great.

[Blanchimont]

Raid Finder is pretty useless considering how few people actually want to do raids in this game. The rewards just are not worth the effort when you find out that you basically need to raid for eight weeks or even ten weeks in order to collect one piece of equipment. By then, the new dungeons and better gear will have been released. The people who actually want to raid will spend a lot of time actually searching for a group. The problem is that a lot of these groups also do not want to train new raiders and would rather poach one from another group instead.

[Ilan]

Raid Finder is pretty useless considering how few people actually want to do raids in this game. The rewards just are not worth the effort when you find out that you basically need to raid for eight weeks or even ten weeks in order to collect one piece of equipment. By then, the new dungeons and better gear will have been released. The people who actually want to raid will spend a lot of time actually searching for a group. The problem is that a lot of these groups also do not want to train new raiders and would rather poach one from another group instead.

Its is worth the effort, if you have a working static and if you are willing to practice this stuff over and over until you get it done. If you don't want to spend much time in there or if you are not playing enough to join a static, then you just don't need the gear from there since you don't raid anyway. The gear from savage raids was always a special reward for the raiding people who are able to kill the savage raids to optimize their gear for the next raids. If you don't raid then you don't need it or deserve that gear.

And of course it is hard to find players with the raidfinder because most of the people have statics or are looking for statics since the raidfinder is nothing else than the dutyfinder and we all know what happens in there. Thats what people who want to raid try to avoid.

[Blanchimont]

I disagree. Many of the raids require you to raid multiple times and acquire multiple drops, some of which are restricted to once a week in order to actually get something out of it. On top of that, you probably have to invest three hours or more (assuming they are all successes) at a night in order to collect those rewards. You would have to maintain that raid group for two months. It is something that a lot of people just don't have the time for. This is what makes it not worth it and easier to just wait for the next patch.

[KarstenS]

On top of that, you probably have to invest three hours or more (assuming they are all successes) at a night in order to collect those rewards. You would have to maintain that raid group for two months.

Sound easy. But forgets about the time to practise the whole thing.

The practise is not a thing of hours, days or weeks. For the average raid group the practise part take 4-6 month, if they are clearing it before echo at all.

Take a look at the impatient people in party finder groups and you know why nobody seriously is queuing up in the raid finder (outside JP).