I guess it's time

[MagiusNecros]

TBH I'm having a lot more fun with GW2 at the moment. The way it handles things in it's framework structure just make more sense to me. That said I find that most of my current interest in XIV atm is sadly forum bickering instead of actually playing XIV mainly because right now there is nothing for me that I want to do.

[RobbieH]

TBH I'm having a lot more fun with GW2 at the moment. The way it handles things in it's framework structure just make more sense to me.

After GW1, GW2 is my third favorite MMO (right after Aion when it was paid).

I have at lest 5k hours in GW2, and around 4k in FFXIV, however a lot of FFXIV hours hve been spent doing nothing, just afk in Limsa lol.

GW1 was so much better than GW2, only thing better in GW2 is the combat, the world is extremely small compared to GW1, as is the FFXIV world when compared to GW2 world.

But GW2 is kinda dead now, a lot of people gave up during Living World and temporary content, and to a lot (just like me) the expansion just wasn't enough.

That said I find that most of my current interest in XIV atm is sadly forum bickering instead of actually playing XIV mainly because right now there is nothing for me that I want to do.

This is exactly what i do, but i'm afraid they only bother with the JP forums so our suggestions here might be worthless. :/

[Braden]

The current formula doesn't work well for some now, but what about newer players that join a year or 2 from now. Why buy ARR and HW when the next expansion is released? The way content is made irrelevant so quickly, why buy a game or expansions that has nothing to currently offer? FFXI still has players doing dynamis, salvage, nyzul isle and einherjar for relics and mythics. And how about the rewards for finishing the main story? A wind up minion. Lol. They missed the boat on jobs as well, there is no flexibility for creativity. Not to mention the gear swapping in 11 is great.

[FizzleofHyperion]

We have had the dose of this FFXIV A WoW Clone Reborn for almost 3 years now to the hardcore community that is a pure flop.
The casual community will continue to love this because it gives them the feel of always beeing able to catch up.

If i wanted to play WoW I would play WoW. FFXIV should have been something unique and continued to use elements from FFXI as it beeing the mothership of SE MMORPG era.

The poll from 4 years ago I think showed the majority of players wanting Horizontal content why SE & Yoshi P didnt listen I guess was mostly because "money > heart of a game?"

Eventually this game will kill itself if it continues this path. It will just be like any other MMORPG out there due to how its build up.

We can all be honest with ourselves here. This game WONT have a lifespan as long as FFXI if its just meant to adapt to a mainstream market of MMORPG jumpers who are only playing FFXIV because its whats "hot" right now.

The game itself does not provide enough content to keep you going that is just facts.

People should not be forced to level different jobs in order for having something to do because the game itself cannot provide enough content to do for their main job.

Capping a currency weekly to obtain gears that are useless so quick will not help anyone. It just teaches you that you can slack and always keep up.

It is a bigger chance of burning a player out than making it fun with how the path of this game is going right now.

Handing out gears from left to right to people just because they have a subscription is only adapting to the player and not forming the actual player after the game telling them if you dont actually devote a little time to acheive something you wont get it either.

Having a gamestyle that teaches gears can get old is just dumb its a hamsterwheel of repetative content with no satisfaction.

This is not a FFXI vs FFXIV convo but instead of using so much elements from everything but actual FFXI playstyle for so many years has showed one type of results maybe its time to go with FFXI type of gaming style from 4.0 and onwards?

Horizontal progression wont kill anyone it will actually make levels and gears feel rewarding instead of a handout.

[Beetle]

This is how it is for most of the time on Hyperion.



Not many people playing the game. I wonder why. By the way im on EST & its the weekend & its prime time for the server.

[Iromi]

This is how it is for most of the time on Hyperion.



Not many people playing the game. I wonder why. By the way im on EST & its the weekend & its prime time for the server.

Same with Sargatanas as well. There is simply nothing to do end game wise Wish they'd actually listen to us.. I miss FFXIV, but if I log in I just kinda stand there and chat because there is nothing for me to do and no content has longevity. /sadness

[FabricioRF]

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Wow, aren't Hyperion and Sargatanas Legacy servers?

By the way, all servers on Aether are currently accepting new characters, except Balmung and Greg ofc.

[Iromi]

Wow, aren't Hyperion and Sargatanas Legacy servers?

By the way, all servers on Aether are currently accepting new characters, except Balmung and Greg ofc.

yeap! both are legacy heh...I've seen others post their servers housing menus with 0 houses bought lol...

I dunno about the forums representing a small portion of the game. Yea its true that not everyone posts here, but I can tell you for damn sure there is a TON of people and players who are unhappy with the end game right now in the same ways mentioned in this thread. I've come across so many strangers who bring it up themselves, and low and behold..we have something in common lol.

[MagiusNecros]

Whenever I debate with people in my FC who are actually "Final Fantasy" fans we give the game so much venom like you wouldn't believe ha ha. Occasionally we would always go off on what the Dark Knight was turned into. Or what we saw as the splicing of the Black Mage's spell list.

I miss those like-minded discussions. We do love to play this game but we also judge it as not only longtime FF fans but also take into account FF's roots from DnD. That's Dungeons and Dragons.

But the activity on Diabolos is pretty much the same. Very rare do you see over 10 parties looking to do stuff. I would like to see over 20 going on. I think servers/rooms on MH3U and MH4U were more active.

[FizzleofHyperion]

Fabrico, Iromi, Beetle, Magius: That is usually the result when you have almost the entire game on a very easy difficulty.

Casuals should not always be compared with the casuals that seem to be raging teenager wow players. It seems that the majority of FFXIV playerbase is still adults because of the envoirment. To me this is a good way and is still a chance of hope.

A party finder would not be so empty if people havent done all content. Its not even about Rushing anything do stuff daily and eventually you will run out of things to do due to how the core of the game actually is.

I have no idea when a change is going to happen or if its going to happen. I'm playing FFXIV because of my friends and that its a final fantasy envoirment I'm not playing this because its some sort of amazing game.

Like you guys I seem to spend most of my time chatting or afking because I've run out of things to do aside from thinking bashing your head to a wall for nidhogg extreme or savage for items that are useless by november is a good formula of gaming?

Let's not forget how the relic continues to be an unrewarding disaster that will just be a disappointment to everyone who spent countless runs for the HW story dungeon farming wich will be nerfed.

The feeling of stuff beeing nerfed or echo beeing presented will always be something on the back mind of players. It causes lazyness. Remember when I said you can always catch up? It is a good thing that you can always catch up but alot of things should still remain sacred and untouched and be hard to obtain so it makes your time invested be worthwhile.

Whats the point of doing all these HW dungeon runs for the relic when a few weeks or months later the cost ont he items will just be nerfed? It only teaches that player one who doesnt have it can have the same item as player two eventually and actually if player one invests as much time as player two he would have the same stuff for putting less effort in.

How is that gaming mentality fair to the current players? That part I do not know. How can the customer who loves the brand/product the most be the one that continues getting the short end of the stick?

The satisfaction of beeing "first" does not give anything. Surely some sort of competition would do this game good wouldn't it?

I have not done savage at all but guess what? I'm ok with that. I'm ok with not beeing good enough to do certain things BUT I know the content is there for me waiting should I want to give it a try thats the part players don't get.

Its always crying for a nerf when some things should just remain untouched.

I would not be surprised if these Experience Points Potions from the cash shop will be put in motion.

I would not be surprised if 4.0 Expansions offers a new player instant level 60.

Only way we can stop this is if we unite speak up and say this is not what we want out of FFXIV.