I guess it's time

[MagiusNecros]

I could ask you is it really worth doing a ton of work to amount to not much? For every job class? You claim you don't want toxic attitude but is it not venom you are spitting right now? Because you would rather the game not change? Continue to stagnate?

Oh well. You know what they say. No use trying to talk to a trained dog.

I would rather have a FF XIV experience instead of what appears to be a FF WoW "me too" experience. I had hoped that they would have at least taken concepts and idea's from XI and see what worked and what didn't and ultimately create a better product. Apparently not.

"Play the MB" huh. There must be tons of diverse content out there I must be missing if a player advocating there is a ton to do decides that a majority of their time is best spent fishing on the Market Board.

[loreleidiangelo]

Not gonna jump too much into the debate here, but I do think that if you play this game solely for power acquisition/gear progression it's pretty understandable that you'd get burned out quickly. Who knows if the developers will change it or not, but FFXIV so far just isn't designed as a "gear grinder" type of game.

[Vantol]

I see more complaining than actual debate. I don't think you have even read all 60+ pages and I honestly don't blame you.

I have read them all and I can say that out of 66 pages so far only you and maybe 2 other guys consider FFXIV to be in acceptable state. Everyone else says the world is burning.

Not gonna jump too much into the debate here, but I do think that if you play this game solely for power acquisition/gear progression it's pretty understandable that you'd get burned out quickly. Who knows if the developers will change it or not, but FFXIV so far just isn't designed as a "gear grinder" type of game.

True, and that's why we say that FFXIV must be reworked.

[Reinha]

True, and that's why we say that FFXIV must be reworked.

If I wanted to play a gear grinder I would have played a gear grinder. Luckily FFXIV is more than that.

[Oglaf]

I have read 60% of this thread waiting for constructive posts suggesting improvements with a in-depth analysis how to implement it so far all I found is "We need to make X to make FFXIV great again!".
Before suggesting something put youself in the place of a game director/designer/developer and etc... "How would I implement it?", "How long would it take?", "How hard it is to do it?", "Would it affect previous expansions?"...

If I resume what I saw, is just a bunch of "Hey! You need to remove cap and create more stuff with higher quality every 3 months while totally rewriting your game mechanics!".

This thread needs to be closed due to excessive Trumpness.

[MagiusNecros]

If Donald Trump actively played XIV he would probably take up the mantle of RMT/Gilseller. Since he's all about money and business. And knows that SE/Yoshida will never be able to eradicate the plague they represent. And would concisely exploit it. All while shouting obscenities about players playing as some such character race.

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I don't know how you expect subscribers of this game to act and think like a game developer when developing a game has different departments, especially those that have little knowledge of how development actually works.

Is it wrong for players to aspire to want their product made better or is it about making the dev's jobs easier at the expense of veteran players moving on after seeing how hollow the MMO turns out to be because of several imposed restrictions?

[RobbieH]

I have read 60% of this thread waiting for constructive posts suggesting improvements with a in-depth analysis how to implement it so far all I found is "We need to make X to make FFXIV great again!".
Before suggesting something put youself in the place of a game director/designer/developer and etc... "How would I implement it?", "How long would it take?", "How hard it is to do it?", "Would it affect previous expansions?"...

If I resume what I saw, is just a bunch of "Hey! You need to remove cap and create more stuff with higher quality every 3 months while totally rewriting your game mechanics!".

This thread needs to be closed due to excessive Trumpness.

I'd pay to see you say that after the game is dead after 4.0 because apparently according to you everything is fine, you must be new to MMOs.

[FallenArisen0990]

I have read 60% of this thread waiting for constructive posts suggesting improvements with a in-depth analysis how to implement it so far all I found is "We need to make X to make FFXIV great again!".
Before suggesting something put youself in the place of a game director/designer/developer and etc... "How would I implement it?", "How long would it take?", "How hard it is to do it?", "Would it affect previous expansions?"...

If I resume what I saw, is just a bunch of "Hey! You need to remove cap and create more stuff with higher quality every 3 months while totally rewriting your game mechanics!".

This thread needs to be closed due to excessive Trumpness.

They can start by not making every new (or even patch if you want to be technical..) patch not make previous patch gear obsolete for starters...

[Caelum_Dragguell]

I have 2 days left on my subscription I believe, though I haven't logged in for a while. That said I do not plan on returning for a long time. I wanted to help this game as I am 99% sure it's on the decline, but if some of you believe that the majority think the game is fine (the declining majority) then so be it.

I'll let the rest here debate interesting mechanics and changes and advocate for a more interesting experience while critiquing the current game (something called feedback folks, condemning it is the same as saying one shouldn't question their government and we don't live in NORTH KOREA) in hopes of helping it make a return to form (although it may be in vain).

And also stop throwing around the word toxic. There's nothing toxic about discussing issues with a game, again it's feedback.

[Vantol]

The problem I see mostly with people in here is they think some revamp is going to happen within a patch of expansion when they have no idea how development works or what resources they have to pull out to make the entire game's fundamentals change.

That's why when you come to doctor he says: "You have cancer, but it would take too much resources and time to cure you. If at all. So ... welp, next one please". The situation with this game and what you suggest is identical.

People in here are going to complain till the game becomes FFXI-2.

And what is so wrong about wanting this game to become FFXI-2 at least, if it was better in every imaginable way (except graphics obviously)?

Anyway, many good suggestions very made. We must choose with what we should begin, and as FallenArisen before said:

They can start by not making every new (or even patch if you want to be technical..) patch not make previous patch gear obsolete for starters...

The best way to implement this would be raising itemlevel only once in expansion maximum (better even less). Even if it means no patches during whole year, so be it.