Healer DPS metagame for non savage content is getting old

[Destous]

Then why was that not what I got from your original post? And if they intend to balance accuracy the way you want them to (via altering Cleric Stance) then in that case, they may as well do that for tanks as well (100% accuracy in tank stance, dependent on accuracy stat in DPS stance), or instead, get rid of accuracy altogether and bring in new stats such as +5% heal potency if your mind is larger than x amount, or +10% attack speed if your spell speed is below x amount. If accuracy persists to remain a stat (entirely), then accuracy will remain within the meta. Nerfing accuracy altogether by affecting Cleric Stance is just a low blow in my opinion, and a cheap way of fixing this issue (even if it is a non-issue to some...).

Accuracy to hit cap. Specific amount of skillspeed/spellspeed. As much crit/det as possible.

Which class/role am I describing?

[Donjo]

Accuracy to hit cap. Specific amount of skillspeed/spellspeed. As much crit/det as possible.

Which class/role am I describing?

Fisher?

Yeah, definitely sounds like Fisher.

[ErryK]

Accuracy to hit cap. Specific amount of skillspeed/spellspeed. As much crit/det as possible.

Which class/role am I describing?

That's literally all the classes. The game doesn't have enough stats for each class to specialize in one...

[Destous]

That's literally all the classes. The game doesn't have enough stats for each class to specialize in one...

Congratulations, you found the point this time.

[ErryK]

Congratulations, you found the point this time.

Cut the condescending crap. The game hasn't got nearly enough stats for a class to properly specialize in one, unlike FFIX where Ninja's could specialize in evasion and be 100% sustainable evasive tanks. The issue here is with the devs not including more stats. Spell Speed is 100% worthless for Scholar, so it's either DET or CRIT, Piety is a non-issue for Scholar because of Aetherflow, so what it is, is a dev issue. There's not enough stats to justify not stacking accuracy... the issue isn't with the healers having accuracy so valuable, it's that there's not enough stats to justify NOT using accuracy.

[Alistaire]

Cut the condescending crap. The game hasn't got nearly enough stats for a class to properly specialize in one, unlike FFIX where Ninja's could specialize in evasion and be 100% sustainable evasive tanks. The issue here is with the devs not including more stats. Spell Speed is 100% worthless for Scholar, so it's either DET or CRIT, Piety is a non-issue for Scholar because of Aetherflow, so what it is, is a dev issue. There's not enough stats to justify not stacking accuracy... the issue isn't with the healers having accuracy so valuable, it's that there's not enough stats to justify NOT using accuracy.

Spell speed > det for sch dps actually. And det is subpar for most jobs right now even for its healing capabilities I think SCH would go sps > det overall right now.

[Destous]

Cut the condescending crap. The game hasn't got nearly enough stats for a class to properly specialize in one, unlike FFIX where Ninja's could specialize in evasion and be 100% sustainable evasive tanks. The issue here is with the devs not including more stats. Spell Speed is 100% worthless for Scholar, so it's either DET or CRIT, Piety is a non-issue for Scholar because of Aetherflow, so what it is, is a dev issue. There's not enough stats to justify not stacking accuracy... the issue isn't with the healers having accuracy so valuable, it's that there's not enough stats to justify NOT using accuracy.

Who's talking about "specializing" in one secondary stat? It's a point about stat weights across the classes/roles. Now that healers are gunning for the hitcap, the stat weights for every single class have become identical. That's piss poor design, and yes it should be changed.

[ErryK]

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For most jobs, but in the case of Scholar, it is a guaranteed boost to direct DPS, if I increase my SpS on my SCH wherever I have DET currently, I'd only get a 0.02 or 0.03 boost to my casts, and less than a 1% boost to my DoTs. I'm only going off Dervy's findings.

Who's talking about "specializing" in one secondary stat? It's a point about stat weights across the classes/roles. Now that healers are gunning for the hitcap, the stat weights for every single class have become identical. That's piss poor design, and yes it should be changed.

It's poor design, yes. But that's what comes as a result with what little off-stats we have... which if you read my old post, if we got specialized stats that increased the chance of increased heal potency when you have over a certain amount of speed, or increased piety for having a certain amount of Mind, etc. there'd be less demand on accuracy and more demand on those types of stats... the thing is, at the moment, raids and extreme primals have not as much demand of spell speed, crit and det than they do accuracy. If you can heal fine, you getting more crit/det/spell speed is irrelevant if you can guarantee to hit the target with your damage spells. And that's just the issue, not enough stats to warrant adding them over accuracy.

[Destous]

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You don't need to have class specialized stats to shuffle stat weights. SE needs to tweak how effective these effects are on it's different roles and DPS types. Right now, seeing every serious healer gunning for the hitcap is the biggest flaw in this game's stat weights. The second biggest flaw is that the only defensive secondary stat in the game is parry, and it doesn't scale at all in line with the way offensive stats scale.

You don't need to revamp the entire stat list to change stat weights.

[Alistaire]

Accuracy to hit cap. Specific amount of skillspeed/spellspeed. As much crit/det as possible.

Which class/role am I describing?

Definitely not black mages. Hell, "as much det as possible" doesn't even fit some now. Det's already fallen behind speed for BRD and is on its way to becoming last place for the rest.