I guess it's time

[FunkYeahDragons]

I just unsubbed and don't have plans to renew, but in part this is always perspective. Game burnout is real and priorities change. I left because FFXIV's style no longer fits my interests as a player, and the niche content that gave me a good challenge for awhile (PVP) is dead.

That would leave only EX/Savage content as something that I can really immerse myself in outside of the few aspects of the story that I enjoyed, and it's not worth it. Pretty much any game out there has a larger community than FFXIV's raiders, and is easier to meet people and network in.

Letting go of a game is hard. I made many friends here I talk to outside of the game, but I feel like I'm wasting my time when I log in. Instead of FFXIV, I could be meeting new people to talk strategy with in HotS or playing Terraria all night with friends and tackling bosses blind. In FFXIV, I sit in front of the FC house and listen to people talk about glamour, crafting, and RP in between scant story content and PVP that's mostly PVE every ~3 months.

[Braden]

Treasures of Aht Urghan was such a great expansion from 11. Besieged, Nyzul Isle, Salvage, Einjherar, znms and Pandemonium Warden. All better content, than what currently exists in 14.

[Seraphix2407]

Treasures of Aht Urghan was such a great expansion from 11. Besieged, Nyzul Isle, Salvage, Einjherar, znms and Pandemonium Warden. All better content, than what currently exists in 14.

Yeah back in 2007(8) I also decided to buy it for my laptop while I was visiting family and friends in cali (I come from norway). That expension pack was beautiful and amazing. That's what it should be like. The merit points was also a good direction on how battle system can get notch up as well. Lots of content and thigns that was good to do for a long time.

[RobbieH]

Treasures of Aht Urghan was such a great expansion from 11. Besieged, Nyzul Isle, Salvage, Einjherar, znms and Pandemonium Warden. All better content, than what currently exists in 14.

Heavensward wasn't exactly an expansion, and expansion means expanding, what happened was that they killed all ARR dungeons, Raids and Coil giving no reason to do them.

What exactly was expanded with Heavensward? Adding a new Raid, a new End-game Raid, new Dungeons that most of them are worthless, specially lvl 60 ones that have already been killed, no real reason to do them unless people are farming for tomes, Void Ark is pretty much dead too, Savage only people who are on A8S either in progress or farm keep it alive but the rest of the raid community doesn't log at all anymore due to waiting for next Tier.

So much for expanding.

I still have 100 days left to play, and i regret it, because as a raider there's pretty much nothing to do, the new ilvl with another weekly locked tomestone and one new end-game raid every 6 months kills it for me, as a raider i can say this game is a disgrace, i'm afraid i'm going to "take a pause", however like many the pause seems to be permanent unless they change how things have been working, i'm also someone who enjoys PvP, Feast is already dead, Shatter will follow.

Everytime they release content they kill content, they give absolutely no reason to do previous content, i'll never understand this.

I'll log from time to time to keep my house in case i come back, but right now this game isn't worth it from a raider point of view, unless again, you're on A8S.

[Dorander]

Heavensward wasn't exactly an expansion, and expansion means expanding, what happened was that they killed all ARR dungeons, Raids and Coil giving no reason to do them.

What exactly was expanded with Heavensward? Adding a new Raid, a new End-game Raid, new Dungeons that most of them are worthless, specially lvl 60 ones that have already been killed, no real reason to do them unless people are farming for tomes, Void Ark is pretty much dead too, Savage only people who are on A8S either in progress or farm keep it alive but the rest of the raid community doesn't log at all anymore due to waiting for next Tier.

So much for expanding.

I still have 100 days left to play, and i regret it, because as a raider there's pretty much nothing to do, the new ilvl with another weekly locked tomestone and one new end-game raid every 6 months kills it for me, as a raider i can say this game is a disgrace, i'm afraid i'm going to "take a pause", however like many the pause seems to be permanent unless they change how things have been working, i'm also someone who enjoys PvP, Feast is already dead, Shatter will follow.

Everytime they release content they kill content, they give absolutely no reason to do previous content, i'll never understand this.

I'll log from time to time to keep my house in case i come back, but right now this game isn't worth it from a raider point of view, unless again, you're on A8S.

As I said in an earlier post - If all you do is one thing (raid, pvp, ect) then it is quite obvious that FFXIV isn't for you. If you do a little bit of everything (this is a theme park mmo), then you have a mountain of never ending content. Hopefully you find something that fulfills your gaming needs.

[Melorie]

Regardless I've said this before but whenever I hear "vets" complain about FF14 they are simply fed up with the modern mmo genre as a whole. It is a endless hamster wheel that constantly dangles gear in-front of you as a carrot and FF14, being a heavily instance PVE focused mmo, completely follows this formula. There are more sand box or "retro" style mmos out there that can suit your desires but do keep in mind other people like the current model just fine. Plus SE does try to experiment with new side content fairly regularly even if said content often does not go over well with us as a community.

Exactly. Thank you.

[RobbieH]

As I said in an earlier post - If all you do is one thing (raid, pvp, ect) then it is quite obvious that FFXIV isn't for you. If you do a little bit of everything (this is a theme park mmo), then you have a mountain of never ending content. Hopefully you find something that fulfills your gaming needs.

How come this game isn't for me if i'm only unhappy with it now? You came to that conclusion only after all these years that i've been playing?

Yeah let's change nothing, i want to see how many end-game raid clears will there be in 3.4 LOL

Raiders are leaving, the content doesn't appeal to them due to the poor rewarding system, i don't get the mentality of white knighting "oh take a break", "oh this game isn't for you", seriously stop telling people what's good for them or not just because you don't understand what's going on.

You don't understand what's going on so please don't comment if you have nothing useful to bring to discuss.

Raiders leaving = SE losing money, losing money = less content for everyone, less content for everyone = more unhappy people, more unhappy people = more unsubs, more unsubs = less money, repeat.

Nice logic, let's change nothing.

[WellFooled]

Raiders are leaving, the content doesn't appeal to them due to the poor rewarding system, i don't get the mentality of white knighting "oh take a break", "oh this game isn't for you", seriously stop telling people what's good for them or not just because you don't understand what's going on.

You don't understand what's going on so please don't comment if you have nothing useful to bring to discuss.

Nice logic, let's change nothing.

I disagree with Dorander's argument, but he hasn't been a jerk about it. Let's not be a jerk to him.

Edit: And now we're all being jerks to each other.

[Dorander]

How come this game isn't for me if i'm only unhappy with it now? You came to that conclusion only after all these years that i've been playing?

Yeah let's change nothing, i want to see how many end-game raid clears will there be in 3.4 LOL

Raiders are leaving, the content doesn't appeal to them due to the poor rewarding system, i don't get the mentality of white knighting "oh take a break", "oh this game isn't for you", seriously stop telling people what's good for them or not just because you don't understand what's going on.

You don't understand what's going on so please don't comment if you have nothing useful to bring to discuss.

Raiders leaving = SE losing money, losing money = less content for everyone, less content for everyone = more unhappy people, more unhappy people = more unsubs, more unsubs = less money, repeat.

Nice logic, let's change nothing.

Just because you don't agree with what I said doesn't mean that it doesn't apply. This game isn't just about raids and doesn't cater only to those that do. It's designed much more to the casual, "do everything" crowd.

As for the "white knighting", it's quite common to hear that term thrown out when a complainer interacts with those who don't agree or actually refute their complaints. So, how about you take your own advice, stop telling those of us who enjoy the game as is, how it should be 'better' just because you don't care to do anything but the one or two things that interest you.

Here's some business education for you: Raiders = maybe 10% of the population, if they leave.. that's just 10%. Casuals = about 90%. Who do you focus most of your business model towards? Basic math there. So there's your logic. There will always be raiders, they come and go. It's those that log in for only a couple of hours a day, who's always got an active subscription that keep the lights on.

So, do we change things just for a tiny vocal minority who is only going to leave anyway? Doubt it.

[Jimsvaliant]

Raiders leaving = SE losing money, losing money = less content for everyone, less content for everyone = more unhappy people, more unhappy people = more unsubs, more unsubs = less money, repeat.

Nice logic, let\\'s change nothing.

Raiders can leave but they have nowhere to go. What other game offers competitive raiding the way XIV does? Your logic is flawed regardless. Everyone knows hardcore raiders are a minority when it comes to playerbase activity. That\\'s why games like WoW made "endgame" more accessible. It\\'s nice that they cater to endgame raiding as much as they do. If they wanted the most subs they wouldn\\'t focus on hardcore endgame.