I guess it's time

[Braden]

Treasures of Aht Urghan was such a great expansion from 11. Besieged, Nyzul Isle, Salvage, Einjherar, znms and Pandemonium Warden. All better content, than what currently exists in 14.

[Seraphix2407]

Treasures of Aht Urghan was such a great expansion from 11. Besieged, Nyzul Isle, Salvage, Einjherar, znms and Pandemonium Warden. All better content, than what currently exists in 14.

Yeah back in 2007(8) I also decided to buy it for my laptop while I was visiting family and friends in cali (I come from norway). That expension pack was beautiful and amazing. That's what it should be like. The merit points was also a good direction on how battle system can get notch up as well. Lots of content and thigns that was good to do for a long time.

[RobbieH]

Treasures of Aht Urghan was such a great expansion from 11. Besieged, Nyzul Isle, Salvage, Einjherar, znms and Pandemonium Warden. All better content, than what currently exists in 14.

Heavensward wasn't exactly an expansion, and expansion means expanding, what happened was that they killed all ARR dungeons, Raids and Coil giving no reason to do them.

What exactly was expanded with Heavensward? Adding a new Raid, a new End-game Raid, new Dungeons that most of them are worthless, specially lvl 60 ones that have already been killed, no real reason to do them unless people are farming for tomes, Void Ark is pretty much dead too, Savage only people who are on A8S either in progress or farm keep it alive but the rest of the raid community doesn't log at all anymore due to waiting for next Tier.

So much for expanding.

I still have 100 days left to play, and i regret it, because as a raider there's pretty much nothing to do, the new ilvl with another weekly locked tomestone and one new end-game raid every 6 months kills it for me, as a raider i can say this game is a disgrace, i'm afraid i'm going to "take a pause", however like many the pause seems to be permanent unless they change how things have been working, i'm also someone who enjoys PvP, Feast is already dead, Shatter will follow.

Everytime they release content they kill content, they give absolutely no reason to do previous content, i'll never understand this.

I'll log from time to time to keep my house in case i come back, but right now this game isn't worth it from a raider point of view, unless again, you're on A8S.

[Dorander]

Heavensward wasn't exactly an expansion, and expansion means expanding, what happened was that they killed all ARR dungeons, Raids and Coil giving no reason to do them.

What exactly was expanded with Heavensward? Adding a new Raid, a new End-game Raid, new Dungeons that most of them are worthless, specially lvl 60 ones that have already been killed, no real reason to do them unless people are farming for tomes, Void Ark is pretty much dead too, Savage only people who are on A8S either in progress or farm keep it alive but the rest of the raid community doesn't log at all anymore due to waiting for next Tier.

So much for expanding.

I still have 100 days left to play, and i regret it, because as a raider there's pretty much nothing to do, the new ilvl with another weekly locked tomestone and one new end-game raid every 6 months kills it for me, as a raider i can say this game is a disgrace, i'm afraid i'm going to "take a pause", however like many the pause seems to be permanent unless they change how things have been working, i'm also someone who enjoys PvP, Feast is already dead, Shatter will follow.

Everytime they release content they kill content, they give absolutely no reason to do previous content, i'll never understand this.

I'll log from time to time to keep my house in case i come back, but right now this game isn't worth it from a raider point of view, unless again, you're on A8S.

As I said in an earlier post - If all you do is one thing (raid, pvp, ect) then it is quite obvious that FFXIV isn't for you. If you do a little bit of everything (this is a theme park mmo), then you have a mountain of never ending content. Hopefully you find something that fulfills your gaming needs.

[RobbieH]

As I said in an earlier post - If all you do is one thing (raid, pvp, ect) then it is quite obvious that FFXIV isn't for you. If you do a little bit of everything (this is a theme park mmo), then you have a mountain of never ending content. Hopefully you find something that fulfills your gaming needs.

How come this game isn't for me if i'm only unhappy with it now? You came to that conclusion only after all these years that i've been playing?

Yeah let's change nothing, i want to see how many end-game raid clears will there be in 3.4 LOL

Raiders are leaving, the content doesn't appeal to them due to the poor rewarding system, i don't get the mentality of white knighting "oh take a break", "oh this game isn't for you", seriously stop telling people what's good for them or not just because you don't understand what's going on.

You don't understand what's going on so please don't comment if you have nothing useful to bring to discuss.

Raiders leaving = SE losing money, losing money = less content for everyone, less content for everyone = more unhappy people, more unhappy people = more unsubs, more unsubs = less money, repeat.

Nice logic, let's change nothing.

[WellFooled]

Raiders are leaving, the content doesn't appeal to them due to the poor rewarding system, i don't get the mentality of white knighting "oh take a break", "oh this game isn't for you", seriously stop telling people what's good for them or not just because you don't understand what's going on.

You don't understand what's going on so please don't comment if you have nothing useful to bring to discuss.

Nice logic, let's change nothing.

I disagree with Dorander's argument, but he hasn't been a jerk about it. Let's not be a jerk to him.

Edit: And now we're all being jerks to each other.

[Dorander]

How come this game isn't for me if i'm only unhappy with it now? You came to that conclusion only after all these years that i've been playing?

Yeah let's change nothing, i want to see how many end-game raid clears will there be in 3.4 LOL

Raiders are leaving, the content doesn't appeal to them due to the poor rewarding system, i don't get the mentality of white knighting "oh take a break", "oh this game isn't for you", seriously stop telling people what's good for them or not just because you don't understand what's going on.

You don't understand what's going on so please don't comment if you have nothing useful to bring to discuss.

Raiders leaving = SE losing money, losing money = less content for everyone, less content for everyone = more unhappy people, more unhappy people = more unsubs, more unsubs = less money, repeat.

Nice logic, let's change nothing.

Just because you don't agree with what I said doesn't mean that it doesn't apply. This game isn't just about raids and doesn't cater only to those that do. It's designed much more to the casual, "do everything" crowd.

As for the "white knighting", it's quite common to hear that term thrown out when a complainer interacts with those who don't agree or actually refute their complaints. So, how about you take your own advice, stop telling those of us who enjoy the game as is, how it should be 'better' just because you don't care to do anything but the one or two things that interest you.

Here's some business education for you: Raiders = maybe 10% of the population, if they leave.. that's just 10%. Casuals = about 90%. Who do you focus most of your business model towards? Basic math there. So there's your logic. There will always be raiders, they come and go. It's those that log in for only a couple of hours a day, who's always got an active subscription that keep the lights on.

So, do we change things just for a tiny vocal minority who is only going to leave anyway? Doubt it.

[RobbieH]

So, how about you take your own advice, stop telling those of us who enjoy the game as is, how it should be 'better' just because you don't care to do anything but the one or two things that interest you.

What the f, where did i tell anyone how to enjoy the game?

Here's some business education for you: Raiders = maybe 10% of the population, if they leave.. that's just 10%. Casuals = about 90%. Who do you focus most of your business model towards? Basic math there.

Even if it was 5% it's still a loss, basic math you say.

There will always be raiders, they come and go. It's those that log in for only a couple of hours a day, who's always got an active subscription that keep the lights on.

So, do we change things just for a tiny vocal minority who is only going to leave anyway? Doubt it.

Oh that logic, yeah EA Games had that too, "we don't care about individuals", on same year they ended up with financial losses and where considered the worst company in America, lmao.

You know what it's fun? Is that this thread is for people who are not happy about something, if you are happy with what you have why come here?

stop telling those of us who enjoy the game

Again again:

stop telling those of us who enjoy the game

Also, the casual audience seems happy, good for them, some other audiences are not, it's not like SE will stop doing casual stuff just because 10% as you say aren't happy, they will keep releasing content for those 10%, it's just that they aren't doing it right.

Do you understand yet?

Raiders can leave but they have nowhere to go. What other game offers competitive raiding the way XIV does? Your logic is flawed regardless.

Where did i mention there's a better place to go? Hell i said i don't want to leave this game, lmao you people only bother to read last comments then it's this.

Everyone knows hardcore raiders are a minority when it comes to playerbase activity. That's why games like WoW made "endgame" more accessible. It's nice that they cater to endgame raiding as much as they do. If they wanted the most subs they wouldn't focus on hardcore endgame.

"Minority", yeah tell that to Aion and TERA when they were paid and they laughed at me and threw comments like you with "flawed logic" when i told on the forums where the game was going, fortunately i don't see this game going F2P, but i do see it not being in good shoes either.

[Dorander]

What the f, where did i tell anyone how to enjoy the game?


Even if it was 5% it's still a loss, basic math you say.


Oh that logic, yeah EA Games had that too, "we don't care about individuals", on same year they ended up with financial losses and where considered the worst company in America, lmao.

You know what it's fun? Is that this thread is for people who are not happy about something, if you are happy with what you have why come here?



Again again:





Also, the casual audience seems happy, good for them, some other audiences are not, it's not like SE will stop doing casual stuff just because 10% as you say aren't happy, they will keep releasing content for those 10%, it's just that they aren't doing it right.

Do you understand yet?

At this point it's like trying to hold a conversation with a petulant child. Please, continue to have your fit. I refuse to acknowledge you anymore.

[DamianFatale]

-insert arguing-

This is what I mean. At this point this thread is just a giant mess of emotions. People are scared right now, because they don't know what's going to happen for 4.0.

We just finished 3.0s main story. It's coming to an end, which brings uncertainty. People have a natural instinct to hack at things when they start getting bored. 3.0 had one purpose, and it was to extend the game on a deeper level. It fulfilled that purpose, and now we have to see what 4.0 leads into. All threads like this do is feed on that hydra of negativity. If 4.0 comes, and it doesn't expand on the game even further, then you can cry about it, but honestly nobody sane makes dramatic changes in a first expansion. You have to lay down the grounds for change before you can really take off. It's important to replicate that same success by building off of what is already working. If it isn't broken, why should you try to fix it?

Keep an open mind, and let the coming expansion come when it does. Tired of the similar content? That's reasonable. Just stop moaning about it, and do something productive with your life. Yes, Final Fantasy XIV is fun, but if this is the thing to make the community hack at each others throats, I question what our fanbase is going to become. All things get boring, and stale sometimes! Hell, I've spent most of my life studying music, and even I get bored of it sometimes. There are other things I like doing in addition to the things that I like..

I am so disappointed in everything this community is starting to gravitate toward. This MMORPGs community went from being about kindness, and togetherness, to senseless greed, and elitism. Everyone has to have their way for every thing. If you don't have that one glamour, or that one exclusive minion, then you throw a hissy fit about it. I'm starting to wonder if the days of 2.0 were better, because to get what we wanted, we all had to work together. The most anyone had at the time was a million, and you couldn't get it as easily as today. It was from combat..

If there's going to be a day that I quit, its not going to because of the content, its going to be because of all of the toxic people that participate in forums like these, and duties within the game its self. Please don't make this another World of Warcraft community. Stop being greedy, start being kind, and respectful to not only each other, but the staff members of SE too! They work hard and tirelessly to do what they do, and they deserve some empathy. So Hullbreaker Isle HM wasn't that great, but Instead of complaining, I looked to the silver lining. The first boss of my favorite Final Fantasy (VI) made an appearance, and I got to have an epic fight in front of the admiral, who is one of my favorite characters.

Look to the brighter side of things NA..