Hullbreaker HM is an example of how dungeons shouldn't be designed.

[Colorful]

I'd actually want longer (and more difficult) dungeons, current 15-25 minutes is quite short time to complete a dungeon.

Wouldn't mind longer dungeons if they actually kept me on my toes and that includes regular mobs. Extending the health of adds and bosses with slightly more difficult mechanics that are repeated constantly because the boss only has one phase? No thanks, quality over quantity... I feel like Heavensward launch dungeons were much better, especially the Vault, but then they threw all that way for whatever reason (I figure it's because they can churn them out faster).

[Zojha]

I'd actually want longer (and more difficult) dungeons, current 15-25 minutes is quite short time to complete a dungeon.

I personally feel it's a pretty good pace - running something like Mhach repeatedly, which takes ~50 minutes in average, if you don't wipe, is very daunting. It's really something I wouldn't want to do more than once per week (Except I have to, because lolRNG drops >_>).

[MilesSaintboroguh]

If dungeons are gonna be longer and harder, then I want better rewards worth my time.

[Drkdays]

I like it. It's got a good theme, fighting as training instead of the regular"go kill the monster" thing. Shows character for the NPC who look up to the heroes of light and shows that the actual NPC characters aren't just empty shells who hand out quests. As for the actual gameplay, it's fast, easy to learn, yet still challenging. Moving monsters out of the power circles, a non generic first boss, warrior type enemies that Maelstrom is known for, and a little lore with Mist Beard. Fun stuff.

[Celaine]

Sorry, bro. I liked it. I loved Halatali HM too. Like a lot. Love getting it in roulettes even. Everyone's got preferences.

But you are right about not needing an expert for Lore. I've been capping with Aquapolis.

[Kling-Klang]

I think its fine, very relaxing. Not all dungeons should be like this, of course, but one or two are fine.

[Nestama]

Thinking about it, I feel the music choice is a big missed opportunity. Navigator's Glory and Nail of the Heavens could have been used here. Would make the dungeon a little more bearable (Holy Consult is a boring theme).

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

All of the dungeons have been the same to me. Nothing new. Kill a few adds get to the boss over and over and over again.

I hear your very legit complaint. However if/when SE tries to make branching paths or do something different, the community doesn't receive it well. Why take the "side" path in Toto Rak when going forward at the fork still gets you there? Dzemael Darkhold and Aurum Vale (technically) have area denial and one bad pull can get you in over your head quick. . . people hate and avoid them. Pharos Sirius - the original ver. - was tough with both dps and heal checks. . . people complained.

Nothing against you, of course, but we can't have nice things because we don't WANT nice things.

[MagiusNecros]

I hear your very legit complaint. However if/when SE tries to make branching paths or do something different, the community doesn't receive it well. Why take the "side" path in Toto Rak when going forward at the fork still gets you there? Dzemael Darkhold and Aurum Vale (technically) have area denial and one bad pull can get you in over your head quick. . . people hate and avoid them. Pharos Sirius - the original ver. - was tough with both dps and heal checks. . . people complained.

Nothing against you, of course, but we can't have nice things because we don't WANT nice things.

Offer branching paths that lead to different experiences and outcomes.

Totorak does not do that at all.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Offer branching paths that lead to different experiences and outcomes.

Totorak does not do that at all.

The problem is the player base are going to dictate which is the fastest or most rewarding route and expect everyone to do it, which is gonna lead to the same drama we got now over how fast or slow tanks are going and whether healers should DPS to speed up the dungeon run. Remember, early dungeons had no gates or speed bumps, but because people exploited Brayflox Longstop Hard for the sake of going as fast as possible and making grinding go even faster, now we got slower dungeons. We are never going to get nice things because there's always the one correct choice whether you like it or not.