Possible level/story jumps....really?

[Theodric]

basing ones subscription continuation on this imo is really silly.

It's not - because I'll happily wager that a lot of people worried about this change have seen exactly how a similar affair played out in WoW. It was one of the main factors as to why I lost interest in WoW - because along with many other design decisions it paved the way for the developers to gut content by making it increasingly optional and irrelevant. I do not want to see a similar situation play out with FFXIV - especially so early on in the game's life.

[Lexia]

It's possible to be a player that doesn't care about gil, items, or experience points, and only cares about playing challenging raids. For an experienced mmorpg player, level 1-50 is just extended tutorial and extremely boring.

Those are usually the same people that beat those raids within a month and then unsub til the next patch how is that making SE more money?

[Judah_Brandt]

It's possible to be a player that doesn't care about gil, items, or experience points, and only cares about playing challenging raids. For an experienced mmorpg player, level 1-50 is just extended tutorial and extremely boring.

So they're playing the game for no reason? That makes no sense. If there really is an audience for that, and that's got to be just about the smallest fraction of the small fraction that actually plays the Savage content, then they may as well just sell a separate game entirely called "FFXIV: Raid Simulator" and avoid muddying up the entirety of content for everyone else.

[PotatoTree]

Those are usually the same people that beat those raids within a month and then unsub til the next patch how is that making SE more money?

That's still free money.

So they're playing the game for no reason? That makes no sense. If there really is an audience for that, and that's got to be just about the smallest fraction of the small fraction that actually plays the Savage content, then they may as well just sell a separate game entirely called "FFXIV: Raid Simulator" and avoid muddying up the entirety of content for everyone else.

Why does it matter how others play?

[FoxyAreku]

Because MMOs are a genre made to be played with friends, and the story is a solo experience that is 90% filler to begin with.

It's already kinda ridiculous the amount of story you have to get through to get to the relevant content atm. Don't get me wrong, it's a good story (from leviathan onward...) but there's too much filler and pointless stuff, and if someone just wants to play with their friends, they're just going to skip all the cutscenes anyway.

It's not - because I'll happily wager that a lot of people worried about this change have seen exactly how a similar affair played out in WoW. It was one of the main factors as to why I lost interest in WoW - because along with many other design decisions it paved the way for the developers to gut content by making it increasingly optional and irrelevant. I do not want to see a similar situation play out with FFXIV - especially so early on in the game's life.

It's a two way street.

Do you want everything to be optional and 'irrelevant', or do you want everything story related to be so easy a braindead monkey could do it?

I prefer the former.

[Judah_Brandt]

Because catering to literally the smallest amount of players for an obscure reason is a terrible business strategy. Take an economics course.

[Miste]

Level skipping? I vote NO.

There are already too many players only doing 25%-30% of their potential. Like 'DPS that I could out DPS just hitting random buttons' bad; or a DRG in full i230 gear getting outdps'd by two tanks in i220 gear in A8 normal even though one of them is in tank stance for 90% of the fight. Level skip is just going to teach players they don't have to work for anything and they don't need to work to get better. The problem already exists but I feel it is going to make it worse.

I am pretty tolerant and I don't kick or attack players that I consider to be playing poorly, but it's not fun going into A8 and the DPS fail to kill the adds and they blow up because too many of the DPS in there are doing poorly and we wipe (or getting to enrage and wiping, which Ive seen multiple times even with all the 230 gear people have now). The game has DPS checks in a lot of fights so fostering poor play by letting people skip part of the learning aspect of their job is just gonna end up with a lot of DPS check wipes in max level content.

I mean I guess if there were no DPS checks or time restraints it wouldn't matter and you'd just take two or three times longer to clear but...that's not how SE designed it so far.

Why would anyone think that it is a good idea? I get that there are players who would skip to max level and learn well and do great but I feel its not worth the other side effects. I've leveled two alts and I really don't think it takes that long to level in this game. Not to mention going through the story if you've already seen it or don't care you can skip almost all cutscenes and this makes it go pretty fast in my opinion.

An option to skip the story I am just neutral on as it doesn't affect anyone else but the player who wants to skip so if they wanna skip its their choice but I definitely feel people need to level up on their own since how they learn to play their job does affect others in DF and DF is integral to actually playing the game.

[bass9020]

Because MMOs are a genre made to be played with friends, and the story is a solo experience that is 90% filler to begin with.

It's already kinda ridiculous the amount of story you have to get through to get to the relevant content atm. Don't get me wrong, it's a good story (from leviathan onward...) but there's too much filler and pointless stuff.

To a new player all story is relevant. But it seems they have learned from 2.0 about fetch/filler quests, look at patch 3.1-3.3 the MSQs have been very short with more cutscenes. They have also had less things locked to the MSQs and have put them in side quest chains.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

I don't see the point in casuals skipping levels, the endgame has already been gutted by casuals... news flash, there isn't that much to do at endgame anymore cuz story mode raids are a thing now. So all the casuals that wanted to see the story so bad now want to skip a bunch of it? I really don't understand people these days...

[FoxyAreku]

To a new player all story is relevant. But it seems they have learned from 2.0 about fetch/filler quests, look at patch 3.1-3.3 the MSQs have been very short with more cutscenes. They have also had less things locked to the MSQs and have put them in side quest chains.

Yeah, like I said, the story from leviathan onward is decent to good. But that leveling story needs to be trimmed, you could cut out about half of it and no one would even know the difference, that's how much filler there is.