PSA

[Zepla]

"A peaceful environment" PvP isn't and never will be a peaceful environment. I would argue the game is, for the most part, peaecful. But PvP? No, no way. It's a melting pot of chaos.

Our characters, our avatars are fighting. That's where the chaos is and that's where it should stay. We, the players, are on the same team and we should always be supportive and kind to one another.

[HakaseNyan]

Yes, let's place the blame on people with mental health issues for trying to enjoy themselves in a peaceful environment. That makes sense!

That's pretty mean, to be honest. Blaming them for willingly entering an engagement that has high chances of increasing their mental stress? You can't blame them for that. Holding people accountable for not thinking straight is simply unjustified; they have mental health issues afterall!

[LadyVal]

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You are just an entirely new level of deplorable.

[ErryK]

Telling someone to go kill themselves is inappropriate anywhere.

Where did I say it was appropriate? I only said that PvP is one of the more chaotic locations in the game where this is more likely to happen, so it shouldn't have come as a surprise that someone would have said such things.

Our characters, our avatars are fighting. That's where the chaos is and that's where it should stay. We, the players, are on the same team and we should always be supportive and kind to one another.

"On the same team", if you read what the OP said, it was a character on the opposing team. Players are never going to be supportive if they are on the opposing team, PvP is mostly about looking out for yourself, and people will have that mindset. That is not a fault of the OP that they were and that they felt the need to use such language, but it is what it is. I don't advocate this kind of behavior but I am not surprised that it did happen, and in PvP of all places.

[HakaseNyan]

You are just an entirely new level of deplorable.

Is it really that deplorable to point out you shouldn't willingly seek out stress if you have a problem with it? Though, my return-sarcasm for Zepla probably met the standards of deplorable. What the OP stated about someone saying "kill yourself..." is pretty awful, and should be reported, but is that really so unexpected in a competitive scenario like PVP? Players get heated during competitions, and they say all sorts of hurtful things they may or may not truly mean. Pardon this analogy, but it's like someone allergic to bees wants to own bee hives and harvest delicious honey - they're going to get stung.

[LadyVal]

Is it really that deplorable to point out you shouldn't willingly seek out stress if you have a problem with it? Though, my return-sarcasm for Zepla probably met the standards of deplorable. What the OP stated about someone saying "kill yourself..." is pretty awful, and should be reported, but is that really so unexpected in a competitive scenario like PVP? Players get heated during competitions, and they say all sorts of hurtful things they may or may not truly mean. Pardon this analogy, but it's like someone allergic to bees wants to own bee hives and harvest delicious honey - they're going to get stung.

There is a large difference between giving legitimate, thought-out advice with the intention of being helpful and/or offering an alternative solution, and flippantly saying "If you have mental health problems just avoid the entire internet <3" The heart isn't cute. The attitude isn't cute. It's not helpful, and it is demeaning.

I agree that if someone has mental health issues and/or low self esteem, PvP isn't the best place for them. However, as OP stated, if they choose to participate there are ways to minimize the effects of other people's outbursts. I don't so much disagree with your train of thought as I do with the way you presented it. If you're going to give advice in a way that is belittling, condescending, or sarcastic, then you might as well not give advice at all because you're only doing every reader a disservice and painting yourself in a negative light.

[Trixxy]

Man up and grow some thicker skin - it's a necessity irl just as it is on the net.
Jerks exist everywhere and in this day and age it's better to overcome your own low self-esteem instead of looking for a hugbox.

It's the harsher response but also the more honest one, white Knights won't always be there to protect you from harm.

That being said: XIV already has one of the lesser toxic communities.

[HakaseNyan]

There is a large difference between giving legitimate, thought-out advice with the intention of being helpful and/or offering an alternative solution, and flippantly saying "If you have mental health problems just avoid the entire internet <3" The heart isn't cute. The attitude isn't cute. It's not helpful, and it is demeaning.

I agree that if someone has mental health issues and/or low self esteem, PvP isn't the best place for them. However, as OP stated, if they choose to participate there are ways to minimize the effects of other people's outbursts. I don't so much disagree with your train of thought as I do with the way you presented it. If you're going to give advice in a way that is belittling, condescending, or sarcastic, then you might as well not give advice at all because you're only doing every reader a disservice and painting yourself in a negative light.

Fortunately, I wasn't trying to be cute, belittling, condescending, or sarcastic with my original reply. The internet is full of people who enjoy trying to stress out other users. PVP may be a more focused area, but the internet as a whole is fairly stressful. People say and do whatever they want, sometimes even with zero consequence. I thought it was legitimate advice for reducing incoming stress if one cannot handle it. Though, I suppose I could've gone more in-depth, like now, and candy-coated it a little. Candy always helps.

[Zepla]

Holding people accountable for not thinking straight is simply unjustified; they have mental health issues afterall!

Should people with mental health issues hide themselves away from the world because we, as a community, are simply too cruel or incompetent to practice self restraint? I think we CAN do better than that.

We should never condone hate speech towards anyone. The fact you were so quick to blame the victim is proof that we have a long ways to go towards making this community more tolerant.

"On the same team", if you read what the OP said, it was a character on the opposing team.

You seem to be confusing avatars with people. We are all gamers, and that puts us on the same "team" all the time - even when our avatars are on opposing sides.

No, it's not surprising that it happened in PvP- but if this is the "norm," that is NOT OK. And the sooner we can all acknowledge that, the better.

[LadyVal]

Fortunately, I wasn't trying to be cute, belittling, condescending, or sarcastic with my original reply. The internet is full of people who enjoy trying to stress out other users. PVP may be a more focused area, but the internet as a whole is fairly stressful. People say and do whatever they want, sometimes even with zero consequence. I thought it was legitimate advice for reducing incoming stress if one cannot handle it. Though, I suppose I could've gone more in-depth, like now, and candy-coated it a little. Candy always helps.

Best of luck to you in learning how to convey the correct tone you wish to have perceived, then.