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    I don't know what Ing and Ing 2 add to a given recipe. I do know that Innovation adds more than an additional stack of IQ would to your final Byregot's.

    Innovation is 50% of your base (starting) Control. IQ is worth 20% per stack, of your base (starting) Control; and also increases BB's Efficiency. That Efficiency increase is why Innovation is worth less than 2.5 IQ stacks; but that Efficiency increase does not bring Innovation down to merely 1 IQ stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder View Post
    I do know that Innovation adds more than an additional stack of IQ would to your final Byregot's.

    Innovation is 50% of your base (starting) Control. IQ is worth 20% per stack, of your base (starting) Control; and also increases BB's Efficiency.
    Are you taking into account the quality increase you got you would get from the Touch that added the additional IQ stack? Normalizing to base gain = 1, for example:

    I tried to solve the equations for quality increase and got:
    for BT+GS+BB: quality increases by 3.88+ 1.16*IQ + 0.08*IQ^2.
    for Inno+GS+BB: quality increases by 3+ IQ + 0.08*IQ^2.
    wherein IQ is the number of IQ stacks at the start of the sequence.

    If my equations are correct, BT+GS+BB is always better than Inno+GS+BB, if you have the durability for the former. Fooling around on the simulator seems to verify this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverbane View Post
    Are you taking into account the quality increase you got you would get from the Touch that added the additional IQ stack?
    Nope. And the reason I am not is the "source" or "opportunity cost" that you get those 18 CP from. Typically, it is going to be from the conversion of a HT to a BT. 80% of the time you are going to have the Quality you are trying to factor for if you HT, as opposed to 100% of the time if you BT.

    Of course, this ignores the possibility that you are converting HT not into a BT, but a PT. That would be the superior option, though the question of whether to use your last unreserved 18 CP on PT or Innovation should not come up very often at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder View Post
    [re: using 18CP for Inno vs. Touch, total quality improvement, I asked: Are you taking into account the quality increase you got you would get from the Touch that added the additional IQ stack?] Nope. And the reason I am not is the "source" or "opportunity cost" that you get those 18 CP from. Typically, it is going to be from the conversion of a HT to a BT. 80% of the time you are going to have the Quality you are trying to factor for if you HT, as opposed to 100% of the time if you BT.
    That's true, but if the 100%-chance BT-GS-BB option will get me to 100% HQ chance (and it often does), obviously I will take that rather than taking a 20%-chance of getting the lower-yeilding fail-GC-Inno-BB.

    Which is one fun thing about crafting IMO: the on the fly adaptation to how the rotation has gone so far. Macros are boring.
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