is selling housing bannable?

[Zelas]

Personally, they just need to make it so that you get your 80% back on releasing a plot, without having to wait 45 days.

Except the 80% money back is a compensation for people losing the house over being away for a long time, not getting rid of it willingly. If it was meant to be a means for people who bought a house to get some of their money back upon relinquishing it, they would have made it so from the get go.

People just need to accept that this is how the system works for now. If they're not willing to lose money over relinquishing the house, they should think carefully before getting one. A gil sink is a gil sink; it's not meant to give you back your money upon relinquishing.

And anyone who thinks they are so entitled to their gil they think it's okay to have someone pay for their purchase on top of their own, that speaks for itself.

[StouterTaru]

I asked a GM about this a few months ago after browsing the subreddit for housing. Their answer was that there is no in-game mechanic that allows you to actually sell/trade your house to someone else. You don't really sell your house. Someone gives you gil, and you drop the house so they can then buy it. That's just not a real trade.

So the same would apply to run/pony sales, off MB sales over 1M gil, player casinos, and any other player created exchange.

But in the end there's a nice catch-all in the ToS, saying it's their game, they do what they want.

[Felis]

So the same would apply to run/pony sales, off MB sales over 1M gil, player casinos, and any other player created exchange.

But in the end there's a nice catch-all in the ToS, saying it's their game, they do what they want.

Aren't player casinos reportable already? I think there was a thread.

[Zelas]

So the same would apply to run/pony sales, off MB sales over 1M gil, player casinos, and any other player created exchange.

But in the end there's a nice catch-all in the ToS, saying it's their game, they do what they want.

Again, similar but not entirely the same.
I don't condone selling runs, because I think it's a pretty stupid practice and promotes laziness, but at least, there, they're selling something. The person actually GETS the kill/drop/whatever, and if they don't, they have sufficient evidence they got double-crossed (through screenshots, chatlogs, etc.).

For housing, you're not paying the player for anything at all other than a sort of bribe ("I'm holding this house hostage until you give me back the money I paid for it."). You're technically being asked to pay for the seller's purchase (or sometimes, several times their purchase) on top of your own. You pay for THEIR past entertainment/use of the house, and then buy the house AGAIN for yourself. Which you could otherwise get for only one of the fees if they were being honest and just let it go as they should.

[MomomiMomi]

Which you could otherwise get for only one of the fees if they were being honest.

Is keeping your house dishonest now? Because if not, they can be honest and you can not get the house at all.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I mean from my point of view it should not be ban-able. You brought the plot, invested a lot of money into it and certainly decided you don't need it anymore or just need the money for something else. So why ban someone who want to give someone else the opportunity to acquire a plot? If SE wants to stop it they should implement a system, where people who want to get "rid" of their plot get a compensation to do so. Either 100% the current price back or at least somewhat of a compensation. As long as SE does not come up with such a system, people will continue to sell the plots they "rightfully" own.

If those people put said house on the market at roughly the same price they purchased it for, I doubt they would even get reported at all, much less have any GM take notice. It's people who buy a slew of small plots with their alts and flip them for several times what they paid that could get in trouble. That's actively abusing the system, however flawed it may or may not be.

[Zelas]

Is keeping your house dishonest now? Because if not, they can be honest and you can not get the house at all.

Keeping it, no. Trying to bribe someone into giving you back the money you spent for it is.

To be honest, I'd rather they keep the damn house than tried to rob me. But then, if they have no interest for it, they'd just be keeping it out of spite, so that speaks for itself, too.
Like I said earlier; don't want to lose your money? Think about if the investment is worth it. It's no worse than buying a several-millions gil piece of gear on the MB. Are you gonna use it long enough to justify the price? No? Don't buy it.

I do like your attempt to twist my words to make me look bad, though.

[MomomiMomi]

Keeping it, no. Trying to bribe someone into giving you back the money you spent for it is.

Well that's the alternative they've given us. Keep it or give it up for free. I'm definitely not doing the latter. I doubt I'm the only one. So that's less houses available for others because we have no method of selling.

[Zelas]

Well that's the alternative they've given us. Keep it or give it up for free. I'm definitely not doing the latter. I doubt I'm the only one. So that's less houses available for others because we have no method of selling.

They haven't given you an alternative. The community MADE UP that alternative. And it's a bad one.

[MomomiMomi]

They haven't given you an alternative. The community MADE UP that alternative. And it's a bad one.

Keeping it isn't an alternative?