is selling housing bannable?

[Blackbird1]

the way i see it is SE should have set a limit on housing where you could only buy one plot per account even if your the fc lead it counts toward your house limit and if people wanna sell their house at a reasonable price that doesnt break the other persons bank just cuzz the owner doesnt use the house then let em do it. these others who buy like 3 houses and try to flip em for a profit just dont buy from them if they ask for too much we got those price listings for plots go by that

[Ranzan]

I haven't seen nobody banned for selling on my server for selling plats. But I also never see unbuilt plots either. Sometime when I see them post I actually visit it to see if they were just holding land and flipping. And everytime it's a fully furnished house on that land. So I feel they should implement a system like the 45 day one but with no wait. Also u would get like 65% of your Gils back instead of 80%.

[Kosmos992k]

Except it's too late to do that. **snip**

There's no way to fairly implement this anymore. They should've thought about it beforehand.

There is a fair way. Most people recognize that housing really is/should be a one per player kind of thing, so offer account holders with multiple personal homes/plots a choice of which one they can keep, then compensate them with the purchase price of the plots being relinquished. Limit personal housing to one private house per account with all characters on the account counting as the 'owner', this would prevent complaints about one house per account preventing other characters from owning a home. Further, explicitly limit FC housing to one house per FC. Implement a transfer system so that if you decide to move house and purchase an equivalent plot elsewhere, you can transfer your entire home, lock, stock and barrel for a nominal fee.

If those hoarding plots were compensated for their 'loss', I can't see the tiny minority of players who are in that situation screaming too loudly, and if they do, I can't imagine they'll get much sympathy.

the way i see it is SE should have set a limit on housing where you could only buy one plot per account even if your the fc lead it counts toward your house limit and if people wanna sell their house at a reasonable price that doesnt break the other persons bank just cuzz the owner doesnt use the house then let em do it. these others who buy like 3 houses and try to flip em for a profit just dont buy from them if they ask for too much we got those price listings for plots go by that

No, limiting *personal* housing to one per account is reasonable. Preventing Company masters from owning a personal home, on the other hand, because their FC owns a Company home is unfair, and un-necessary. Personal and FC housing were meant to be separate in the first place, and they should be. Punishing Company masters for purchasing a Company house is counter productive.

Well really what "selling a house" is, is really accepting a bribe to relinquish the land you own. It's not really buying any property. Last I checked, bribery is illegal so...

I do agree with you btw, just trying help find another word!

Indeed

I think people flock this particular exploit so much because it affects so many people and really leaves a stain on the community.

It is wrong that so many others get away with exploitation but more people need to voice what they don't like, just as some r in this thread.

Unfortunately, when it comes to forums, many times people are afraid to stick their head above the parapet and utter an unpopular view, and so they stay silent.

ALSO KOS-MOS I LUV U

I'm generally unable to remain silent. KOS-MOS is blushing.

[BanditKingZ]

No, limiting *personal* housing to one per account is reasonable. Preventing Company masters from owning a personal home, on the other hand, because their FC owns a Company home is unfair, and un-necessary. Personal and FC housing were meant to be separate in the first place, and they should be. Punishing Company masters for purchasing a Company house is counter productive.

Agreed

I had been saving up for 2 years while my FC has been building our rank to even be able to buy housing. By the time a plot opened, I pounced on it and just shared the house since my FC consists of me and 3 other people. By the time we hit rank 6, I had enough saved to buy a FC house. (I WOULD HAVE just turned my house into the FC but the system doesn't allow for that and I wasn't about to just give up my house on a nice plot for how much and hard I worked for it)

[Knahli]

The issue comes down to people feeling they are entitled to do whatever they want with their houses because, for all intents and purposes, they are the owners. Though frankly, that much is arguable considering you can't control the game reclaiming it for you if you don't pay your monthly rent subscription.

Simply put, many people follow what can only be presumed is the official stance for the time being. You pay to use the house. How long you use it for is at your own discretion, but it has no value in your hands as far as the game is concerned once the price is paid, both the initial in-game value and the 45 day fee - whereas a relinquish refund is compensation for an unwanted forfeiture. The problems some people have with even individual resale, regardless of whether or not the plot "generously" matches the original price or not, is basically that housing is an investment and anyone who tries to sell their land is trying to escape the consequences that comes with forfeiting said investment. While not a great example, it's a bit reminiscent of playing a game of snooker/pool and all of the tables are taken up. You're showing interest in leaving and a bunch of people are eager to take a turn with their friends, albeit the person still on the table feels entitled to getting their money back in order to step away because they're obviously in a position of advantage while they take their sweet time. Essentially, it all comes down to common courtesy and etiquette. Selling a plot more or less equates to suggesting that the only price that came with the purchase of the plot was actually little more than getting there first.

*is stupidly amused by the image of a person standing around an actual table/game waiting for someone to pay them to leave*

[Kosmos992k]

*is stupidly amused by the image of a person standing around an actual table/game waiting for someone to pay them to leave*

I've seen a couple of pints exchange hands for someone to pick up their coins from a pool table in a Student's Union bar before, would that count?

[Felis]

Nothing really wrong with someone wanting to sell their plot, if someone wants to go around and pay way extra to get it then let them, to many people seemingly want to mark what "way" is wrong, its either complain about others selling plots, or complain about how overpriced they are XD, housing isn't mandatory

Seller inform his other friends, so they are ready to show up the moment he abandon his plot and spam the houseshield and buy it before the buyer can do it.
The buyer can't report anyone, because he only paid the seller to abolish his plot, what he did.

[Niwashi]

housing isn't mandatory

Unless you want to garden, or do airship ventures, or any other feature for which housing is indeed mandatory.

SE should have set a limit on housing where you could only buy one plot per account even if your the fc lead it counts toward your house limit

If the FC house counted, but only for the head of the FC, that means the FC head could only have access to one house, while other members could have two.

Or if the FC house counted for everyone in the FC, then for big FCs where most members don't have things like gardening rights, those members couldn't use that game feature anywhere.

Neither sounds very fair.

offer account holders with multiple personal homes/plots a choice of which one they can keep, then compensate them with the purchase price of the plots being relinquished. Limit personal housing to one private house per account with all characters on the account counting as the 'owner', this would prevent complaints about one house per account preventing other characters from owning a home.

Agreed. That would help significantly.

Further, explicitly limit FC housing to one house per FC.

That's already the case.

(When people refer to an FC owning lots of houses, it's really one official FC house and a bunch that are owned by members or alts of members or dummy FCs held by alts of members. If the other rule you proposed about only one personal house per account went into effect, it would cut down on this by removing the houses belonging to alts of members.)

Implement a transfer system so that if you decide to move house and purchase an equivalent plot elsewhere, you can transfer your entire home, lock, stock and barrel for a nominal fee.

That feature is coming, though I'm not positive when the implementation is planned.

[Vespar]

Personally, they just need to make it so that you get your 80% back on releasing a plot, without having to wait 45 days.
Then restrict everyone to one house per account, but make it so all their characters can enter the house no matter which character actually bought it.
As for FC houses it should remain one house per FC.

[MomomiMomi]

The issue comes down to people feeling they are entitled to do whatever they want with their houses because, for all intents and purposes, they are the owners. Though frankly, that much is arguable considering you can't control the game reclaiming it for you if you don't pay your monthly rent subscription.

Simply put, many people follow what can only be presumed is the official stance for the time being. You pay to use the house. How long you use it for is at your own discretion, but it has no value in your hands as far as the game is concerned once the price is paid, both the initial in-game value and the 45 day fee - whereas a relinquish refund is compensation for an unwanted forfeiture. The problems some people have with even individual resale, regardless of whether or not the plot "generously" matches the original price or not, is basically that housing is an investment and anyone who tries to sell their land is trying to escape the consequences that comes with forfeiting said investment. While not a great example, it's a bit reminiscent of playing a game of snooker/pool and all of the tables are taken up. You're showing interest in leaving and a bunch of people are eager to take a turn with their friends, albeit the person still on the table feels entitled to getting their money back in order to step away because they're obviously in a position of advantage while they take their sweet time. Essentially, it all comes down to common courtesy and etiquette. Selling a plot more or less equates to suggesting that the only price that came with the purchase of the plot was actually little more than getting there first.

*is stupidly amused by the image of a person standing around an actual table/game waiting for someone to pay them to leave*

You forgot the part where when I paid to play at the table, they told me I could play as long as I want, whenever I want, and nobody else could until I decided I no longer wanted it.