3.3 AST adjustments

[Luciddreamer]

The few changes I would like to see are...

-Lower mp cost of aspected helios in noct stance.
-Make celestial opposition 15y
-Give helios a 15% chance that the next helios will be instant with no mp cost.I mean ast are all about mobility/speed so why not?
-Give a 15% -20% chance that collective unconscious will still remain even after being tossed in the air or during a knock back.


I guess that is it for now.I hope for more changes in the future.I hate these tiny tweaks.cmon devs give us something to be excited about!

[Kabzy]

And about the sch place in raids, we could say the same about WHM. i've never seen any ast who could mainheal like a whm.

Once again, I do agree that Scholar is not OP, it's just the strongest healer atm. However, this statement is not true at all. I'm not going to go too far into it but I would say that currently WHM is the worst of the three. The only edge it has over Diurnal Ast. is that it has slightly better potencies, and when content doesn't actually require such high healing output, that advantage becomes completely irrelevant. Pair this with the fact that Ast. can also buff party members, and imo the WHM loses out big time.

Some may argue about DPS, but WHM MP management is probably the worst of the three, and to be honest in most progression raid scenarios the main healer will not go into cleric very often anyway.

[Kerrigen]

I've always wondered why Celestial Opposition doesn't spread Aspected Benefic + Cards from the AST to party members in range when in Nocturnal (à la Deployment Tactics) when early previews of Heavensward hinted at Astrologian having that kind of skill in its toolkit. That probably would have been the best way to make it intersect well enough with Nocturnal's toolkit, while giving AST another strong mitigation tool mimicking something that SCH is also capable of. It also makes sense with its animation and suspiciously shares a 120s CD with DT, it always seemed like it was a pretty natural fit to me.

That skill never made much sense to me, it was so underwhelming when 3.0 got released I couldn't help but wonder whether it had been nerfed from their dev environment.

Anyway, that's just rambling at this point. Opposition is the least of Nocturnal AST's problems and I don't believe they'll be able to achieve true healer parity before the next expansion. Still fun to speculate about it.

[mp-please]

-Lower mp cost of aspected helios in noct stance.

You do realize aspected helios has a lower mp cost than adlo, no cast and has a higher mitigation rate on non crits don't you?

[DarkmoonVael]

You do realize aspected helios has a lower mp cost than adlo, no cast and has a higher mitigation rate on non crits don't you?

Aspected benefic is adlo equivalent.

Aspected helios is succor.

[mp-please]

Aspected benefic is adlo equivalent.
Aspected helios is succor.

Oh oops. Mixed both for some reason.

Still, starting 3.3 aspected helios will have 120% mitigation rate +5% heal bonus compared to succor. +300 MP sounds a pretty fair. It's the same as medica II vs asp. helios +200 mp for +5y range +10 hot potency.

[Parawill]

Noct. Aspected Helios with its 120% buff is honestly just to supplement the fact that they don't have as much mitigation as SCH. 'Cause Adlo Deploy is ridiculously strong, especially when you can deploy off a Convalescence tank, yet alone Defiance Warrior. The changes are just to make AST a safer defensive healer considering it also lacks a lot off oGCD healing that Scholar has.

(Opening another can of worms) There's also a thing with how healing magic potency (the total stat your character has depending on your stats & weapon) will always be tiered from WHM being the best and SCH being the worst.

I don't have the same weapon kind for each of my healing classes but with my current gear here's my H.P Potency per class.

White Mage (i228) - Hailstorm Cane (i230) - 1231 Healing Power Potency
Astrologian (i232) - Midan Metal Astrometer (i245) - 1224
Scholar (i230) - Augmented Hailstorm Codex (i240) - 1195 Healing Power Potency

[mp-please]

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Scholar has the lowest healing power because their stat trait is based off int rather than mind due the arcanist roots. That is balanced by the fact scholar maim & mend also increases your pet healing power by 40%, so its a bit unfair for scholars to be compared to other healers without considering their fairy.

[giantslayer]

I would like to remind everyone that they already gave faeries a ~35% nerf to all their healing potencies scaling from 50 to 60 and severely nerfed Selene, who used to give something like a 20% buff to the party's spell speed or skill speed (alternating every 30 seconds).

If you factor in the faerie nerfs, SCH got nowhere near the bump from 50 to 60 that WHM did. I'm not complaining because SCH is in no need of buffs. I just wanted to remind people talking about nerfs and how powerful the faeries are that they already nerfed faeries pretty hard.

[DarkmoonVael]

I would like to remind everyone that they already gave faeries a ~35% nerf to all their healing potencies scaling from 50 to 60 and severely nerfed Selene, who used to give something like a 20% buff to the party's spell speed or skill speed (alternating every 30 seconds).

If you factor in the faerie nerfs, SCH got nowhere near the bump from 50 to 60 that WHM did. I'm not complaining because SCH is in no need of buffs. I just wanted to remind people talking about nerfs and how powerful the faeries are that they already nerfed faeries pretty hard.

Its not as simple as that in regards to some of these changes. In regards to selene, her two buffs used to be +30% skillspeed and +30% spellspeed. This was before these two stats were changed for heavensward. Most SCH knew as soon as spellspeed/skillspeed changes were announced selene would be nerfed or changed. If these two buffs functioned this way for heavensward, she would be absurdly powerful beyond comprehension. It wasnt so much of a nerf rather than having to change how selene functions with the new stats.

Also saying that SCH got now where near the same bump from 50-60 is just flat out incorrect. Indomnibility is flat out ridiculously powerful, emergency tactics covers its weak aoe heals more, deployment tactics is absurd, broil strengthens its dps capabilities further and dissipation has proven divisive yet is very very very powerful in raids. SCH mana management is not being challenged any more from 50-60, nor is its dps capabilities. The fairy scaling has been changed, but its not that significant, especially if the devs are still saying the fairy is still too powerful.

WHM gets two very nice dps spells and 3 oGCD heals (one of which is hybrid heal/dps). Assize changes how a WHM manages mana, whilst alongside tetra they civer the WHM weakness of lack of emergency healing in 2.x. WHM healing capacity has been strengthened 50-60, but it still has challeneges managing mana in raids and the issue with WHM dps is still there.

AST gets 2 dps spells 50-60, 2 buffs and 1 healing ability. AST has the least remarkable skills given to it from 50-60 out of all the healers with some of them still being arguably flat out terrible (Hello celestial opposition), unusable in raids (gravity, its lovely in dungeons....), have issues interacting with half of the AST functionality (time dilation and nocturnal sect are a mess). Which leaves us with collective unconscious which i love and malefic II which is needed.