Preferred Healer

[Ilan]

I prefer not to tank with White Mages when I'm on Dark Knight, simply because Holy interferes with Blood Price, and not all White Mages grasp this fact.

Aside from that, I have zero preference. I guess Warrior likes Astrologian because Balance + Fell Cleve Crit = Massive Deeps?

A good WHM doesn't spam Holy if Blood Price is up or at least he/she waits until your mana is full again.

I don't care which class a Healer is as long as he/she does a job good.

[_slowpoke_]

A good WHM doesn't spam Holy if Blood Price is up or at least he/she waits until your mana is full again.

A good DRK realizes that the burst AoE DPS a good WHM can put out is a lot higher than what they can realistically put out in the same time, and therefore holds off activating Blood Price until the stun immunity kicks in. It's an overall DPS loss for the group for the WHM to wait until Blood Price falls off to start AoEing, so no, we're not gonna do that.

[Chronons]

A good DRK realizes that the burst AoE DPS a good WHM can put out is a lot higher than what they can realistically put out in the same time

3 mobs. Holy will do 540 potency (200 +180 +160) Abyssal will do 360 (120 x 3). In 5 Holy casts (17.5secs) you can get off 7 Abyssal drains, 5 x 540= 2700 vs. 7 x 360=2520. However, DRK also has an oGCD that is purely a mana cost in Dark Passenger. It adds 250 potency to DRKs spam potential without adding any time or GCDs bringing its total to 2770. Also, just by using these moves the DRK is generating enmity(Abyssal) and mitigating damage(DA Dark Passenger). How are you justifying "a lot higher" AoE dps to the point of denying you DRK their best use of Blood Price?

[winsock]

5 x 540= 2700 vs. 7 x 360=2520. However, DRK also has an oGCD that is purely a mana cost in Dark Passenger. It adds 250 potency to DRKs spam potential without adding any time or GCDs bringing its total to 2770.

A few things you left out:
The added dmg bonus from CS and DS
Aero III
WHM also has:
Assize and PoM which can be used without adding any time.
You also may need to consider Grit's dps penalty.


Lastly, how much dps the WHM or DRK job can do individually is secondary. It isn't so much a question of who has better dps, but:
Will party dps be higher if WHM delays Holy for 15 seconds b/c of BP, or if DRK hold off on BP for ~6 second stun... Typically, its the latter.

[_slowpoke_]

A few things you left out:

Not to mention the fact that comparing bare potencies across jobs makes little sense, because of different stats and scaling.

Lastly, how much dps the WHM or DRK job can do individually is secondary. It isn't so much a question of who has better dps, but:
Will party dps be higher if WHM delays Holy for 15 seconds b/c of BP, or if DRK hold off on BP for ~6 second stun... Typically, its the latter.

Pretty much this, yes.

[Chronons]

A few things you left out:
The added dmg bonus from CS and DS
Aero III
WHM also has:
Assize and PoM which can be used without adding any time.
You also may need to consider Grit's dps penalty.
DRK also has:
Salted Earth, Carve and Spit, Plunge - no time added
Scourge

Lastly, how much dps the WHM or DRK job can do individually is secondary. It isn't so much a question of who has better dps, but:
Will party dps be higher if WHM delays Holy for 15 seconds b/c of BP, or if DRK hold off on BP for ~6 second stun... Typically, its the latter.

Very valid points. All I meant to imply is that the longer into a pull a DRK waits to pop Blood Price typically the less their gains will be from it. As stuff starts dying off DRK takes less hits and BP begins to lose effectiveness. Is the DPS loss from holding your Holy Burst 15 secs greater or worse than than whatever DPS loss is incurred by generating less MP through BP? Idk. Maybe it is? Maybe it isn't? Maybe it depends on the pull variables? I am just skeptical that it is as black and white as some people are making it out to be is all.

Not to mention the fact that comparing bare potencies across jobs makes little sense, because of different stats and scaling.

Im not sure how else to begin testing the claim that WHM has "a lot higher" AoE burst potential than DRK? Damage calculations begin with potency so that is where I looked first. Maybe you can point in the right direction to some better math on this?