Patch 3.3 (Trailer) Discussion (2.x - 3.2 Spoilers)

[Pomelo]

My wager is that we'll use the Echo to go into Estinien-Nidhogg's soul and convince Estinien to let go of his hatred and lust for revenge. Doing so should theoretically break Nidhogg's hold on him, given the wyrm now self-identifies as vengeance incarnate (and he's almost literally correct). Many believe the Echo can be used to brute force Nidhogg out, but I'm not sure of that yet... besides which, we haven't been seen doing anything with the Echo but unwillingly rooting around in peoples' memories. It'd be a big leap to go from unconscious, unwitting memory theater to ripping out entire psyches.

Didn't Laha and his girlfriend combine together using the Echo? I suppose we could use it ...to uncombine individuals.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Didn't Laha and his girlfriend combine together using the Echo? I suppose we could use it ...to uncombine individuals.

Except we're made fun of for having the echo and not knowing how to use it (other than some outside help anyway)

[CyrilLucifer]

Didn't Laha and his girlfriend combine together using the Echo? I suppose we could use it ...to uncombine individuals.

While I'm definitely one of those that has perpetuated that theory, it's important to consider that the Echo is the ability to break barriers and that is what gave them the ability to fuse.

Lahabrea and Igeyorhm willingly destroyed the barriers surrounding their souls so two individuals could become one. That logic doesn't really work with separating people.

However, what we have been shown is that's we're capable of forcefully entering/resonating with a shared soulspace like an Ascian and basically tearing people apart - but the key thing to note is that Lahayorhm claim it was the Blessing that separated them, not the Echo - and yet the Echo was clearly also at work, because we couldn't have entered Thancred/Lahabrea without it and Elidibus states outright in 2.1 that it was the Echo that banished Lahabrea.

So, the result is identical, but mechanically it's not the same thing at all. Without the Blessing paired with the Echo, I'm wondering if we're even capable of banishing an Ascian from its host - thus separating two individuals from a soulspace - simply because we don't have that much control over the Echo yet. Maybe in the future?

There's not much doubt in my mind at this point that, if Estinien is going to survive, it's going to be because the WoL uses the Echo to enter Estinihogg and tear them apart, though.