Patch 3.3 (Trailer) Discussion (2.x - 3.2 Spoilers)

[Frederick22]

I thought the aether from it was limitless?

not exacly.

[Cilia]

I'm pretty confident that Ratatoskr's power isn't limited to Elezen. It seems to be inherent in all native Ishgardians, of which Hyur are a minority population. It's also known that there are hybrids in the city (Hilda, f'ex) for various reasons (primarily adulterous affairs within noble houses), meaning even the "pure" Elezen probably have some Hyur ancestry... excepting the High Houses, to an extent.

My wager is that we'll use the Echo to go into Estinien-Nidhogg's soul and convince Estinien to let go of his hatred and lust for revenge. Doing so should theoretically break Nidhogg's hold on him, given the wyrm now self-identifies as vengeance incarnate (and he's almost literally correct). Many believe the Echo can be used to brute force Nidhogg out, but I'm not sure of that yet... besides which, we haven't been seen doing anything with the Echo but unwillingly rooting around in peoples' memories. It'd be a big leap to go from unconscious, unwitting memory theater to ripping out entire psyches.

[dragoelete]

need i remind you of back in 2.0 where we brute forced laha out of thancred?

[Nalien]

So Nidhogg is Vengeance incarnate? Wonder if the rest of the brood have something similar going on... Well, there'd be some overlap I guess, Tiamat and Hraesvelgr are both super sad (Grief and Regret respectively, though?), and Bahamut (Wrath/Dread?) was presumably similar to Nidhogg... Midgardsormr is bad parenting incarnate though... Jesus Christ do I loath that wyrm at this point...

Really hope the Triad story explains whatever the heck that organic matter was, since Hydrus seems to have made his way to it... I noticed that stuff in an early Heavensward trailer, and during Heavensward it only seemed to exist to display that Ascian Prime is bad, since that fusion seems to outright kill whatever it was growing there... Could have sworn the stuff had completely vanished when we faced Thordan, so is that an oversight in the level design for him, or has it regrown since?

So err... What was... Reflected? Windowed? IDK, whatever Ozma is doing... Think I saw some floating islands, so I figured Sea of Clouds, perhaps the Redbills base, but then I thought... Could we be seeing the Floating City of Nym through Ozma? Would make sense, given the War of the Magi... Come to think of it... Did Void Ark have anything like Rammbroes? He gave us some little lore snippets as we progressed through Crystal Tower, can't recall anything similar for Void Ark and I damn well hope we get something now with this...

Interested to know where Shatter is taking place... The Fields of Glory, any relation to old Camp Glory?

[Xenos88]

Ive heard rumors going around stating that Keftka may make an appearance with the garleans

[Xenos88]

lmao I would have love it if Bahamut played a bigger role rather than just being in the binding coil

[Cilia]

need i remind you of back in 2.0 where we brute forced laha out of thancred?

That was a combination use of the Echo, Blade of Light, and a divine intervention from Hydaelyn.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

need i remind you of back in 2.0 where we brute forced laha out of thancred?

That's because we had help from Haeydlyn. She's nearly powerless now.

[Morningstar1337]

need i remind you of back in 2.0 where we brute forced laha out of thancred?

[Belhi]

I'm pretty confident that Ratatoskr's power isn't limited to Elezen. It seems to be inherent in all native Ishgardians, of which Hyur are a minority population. It's also known that there are hybrids in the city (Hilda, f'ex) for various reasons (primarily adulterous affairs within noble houses), meaning even the "pure" Elezen probably have some Hyur ancestry... excepting the High Houses, to an extent.

My wager is that we'll use the Echo to go into Estinien-Nidhogg's soul and convince Estinien to let go of his hatred and lust for revenge. Doing so should theoretically break Nidhogg's hold on him, given the wyrm now self-identifies as vengeance incarnate (and he's almost literally correct). Many believe the Echo can be used to brute force Nidhogg out, but I'm not sure of that yet... besides which, we haven't been seen doing anything with the Echo but unwillingly rooting around in peoples' memories. It'd be a big leap to go from unconscious, unwitting memory theater to ripping out entire psyches.

I should probably clarify that I didn't literally mean we rip out Nidhogg. Just that the Echo allows us to go into the soul of Estinien and act as a catalyst. I originally imagined something like is going into some mindscape that where we were in the memory of the village where Estinien lived before Nidhogg attacked and if we had a solo instance perhaps we fought with a mental form of Nidhogg there who was trying to stop us from reaching Estinien. After all the source of Estinien's rage and desire for vengeance is that attack.

Also I'm curious on how our our strengthened blessing of light effects things. Strickly speaking our original blessing never really failed us till it was stripped. My thought is our strengthened blessing might simply be less reliant on Hydealyn. It would make sense if she was weakening for her to seek to make us more independent of her power.