Thread: Patch 3.3 (Trailer) Discussion (2.x - 3.2 Spoilers)

Originally Posted by Alberel

My guess for the finale though is that we'll shatter the eyes somehow and release Estinien and Lahabrea at the same time..

Oh not this again. Lahabrea is not inside the Eye, he was consumed as aether by Thordan, the game shouts that fact. It's time to face the truth that meddling Ascian is gone for good and is never coming back.

Originally Posted by Alberel

The game doesn't shout that fact. At no point does anyone explicitly say that. The only character that even notes Lahabrea's 'death' is Elidibus and all he says is that he is 'fallen' not dead. Until we defeat Nidhogg your theory has as much certainty as mine.

Just because nobody says verbatim "Lahabrea is dead" doesn't mean he isn't.

King Thordan, after executing him, states that "gods" feed on aether, no matter what form it takes - even Ascian souls. From this it can be taken that he ate Lahabrea's soul, with the camera only focusing on the Eye to show us that it's his personal battery. Even if he absorbed Lahabrea's conscious soul into the Eye, he likely would have isolated and burned it first. However, as shown with the Sahagin Elder, if a primal absorbs a soul, it's gone - and Lahabrea didn't use his Dark Crystal to flee, which is what separates the Ascians from your average Echo user.

Elidibus states that he and Igeyorhm have fallen, putting him in the same status as her. Seeing as we used our method of Ascian slaying to off Igeyorhm, just because the method was different doesn't mean Lahabrea wasn't killed as well.

Finally, regardless of what you want to believe, taking all of that into account the game presents him as dead. "Executes" and "fallen" are just fancy words for "kills" and "died," respectively, keeping with the English dialogue's baroque idiom.

I'm excited for most the of the patch except that Coerthas Eastern Lowlands is just going to be a frontlines zone now, but at least we are getting it back in some form. It will be interesting to see what parts of it survived the calamity.

EDIT:
With Coerthas East making a return perhaps we will get Dawn Vigil back in some form as well? Maybe as a dungeon in 3.4+.

Originally Posted by Pomelo

Didn't Laha and his girlfriend combine together using the Echo? I suppose we could use it ...to uncombine individuals.

While I'm definitely one of those that has perpetuated that theory, it's important to consider that the Echo is the ability to break barriers and that is what gave them the ability to fuse.

Lahabrea and Igeyorhm willingly destroyed the barriers surrounding their souls so two individuals could become one. That logic doesn't really work with separating people.

However, what we have been shown is that's we're capable of forcefully entering/resonating with a shared soulspace like an Ascian and basically tearing people apart - but the key thing to note is that Lahayorhm claim it was the Blessing that separated them, not the Echo - and yet the Echo was clearly also at work, because we couldn't have entered Thancred/Lahabrea without it and Elidibus states outright in 2.1 that it was the Echo that banished Lahabrea.

So, the result is identical, but mechanically it's not the same thing at all. Without the Blessing paired with the Echo, I'm wondering if we're even capable of banishing an Ascian from its host - thus separating two individuals from a soulspace - simply because we don't have that much control over the Echo yet. Maybe in the future?

There's not much doubt in my mind at this point that, if Estinien is going to survive, it's going to be because the WoL uses the Echo to enter Estinihogg and tear them apart, though.

Originally Posted by Belhi

I suspect Lahabrea is dead though honestly I can't help but be a bit disappointed he went out like such a punk.

He got the ignominous death he deserved!

Originally Posted by AdamuKun322

Lahabrea is within the Divine Sword that is currently sitting on the floor of the Singularity Reactor.

Ascalon isn't an aether container, just a supermassive sword transmuted from Haldrath's corpse. If Lahabrea wasn't outright eaten by King Thordan his soul's aether would have dissolved into the Eye... and were he still conscious at that point, it's more likely than not that King Thordan would have isolated and burned that aether first. (Kind of hard to be an iron-fisted tyrant when your battery keeps trying to break.)

Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

Lahabrea is still alive in my heart.

Congratulations!

... he's still dead in-universe, though. No amount of jumping though logical hoops is going to change that. (And honestly, aside from wanting to off the bastard yourself, I don't understand why anyone would want him to still be around.)