Can we have option to VK a player because they are below a reasonable skill level?

[Seraphix2407]

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Ugh massive typo and bad English from my side. What I meant was, there are 2 girls (not being my IRL sisters) but those 2 are, sisters IRL. Just need to state that. So to me they are complete strangers besides being in my fc.

But to reply to your post, I agree, when you accept joining a duty finder, you accepted joining a random group, great or bad players or just simply decent people. However, I think you forget the point main point being in a group; Teamplay. There is no I in teamplay. I don't expect super great people in duty finder, not at all. What I do expect is common sense. As you probably know and I've seen you post active on these forums and probably a long time player, you know how the game works right? Every class has a rotation to follow, now the rotation doesn't mean you have to follow it step by step in fight or trash adds, but rather adjust to the situation. Doing freeze everytime you need MP isn't part of the rotation, the skill itself it's just there to save your ass if anything.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect perfect rotations in duty finders, I don't do them either but I do my best atleast and I know when I do my best I'm doing a goddamn good job at it. I know many try their best too, however, some people aren't. There are serval reasons for that:

Unknown to rotations, aware of what the skills do to mobs or to yourself
Never checked guides or even bothered checking how the class itself work
Don't give a damn and just flat out being selfish doing their own little thing in their little world, thinking it's acceptable to play however they want
Refuses to take help (large community problem right here)

As Erika stated earlier in this thread and some other people. Many play the game to relax from work, studies and stress or whatever they have IRl. There are 3/7/23 people in those group who do the same. Does that mean we have to adjust to their level of ''fun''? Nope and nope. Is fine to have fun but if you wanna do weird things, do that on your own and not in groups. It's not fun when you stall people or slow people on purpose because you have ''fun''. ''Fun'' is also a excuse for many people who have no clue what they are doing too.

I will ask you MeiUshu, since you don't tell people off if they are doing something super strange like being icemage. You do expert roulette as healer or tank. You have 2 BLM's in the group, one being icemage. Now the other guy sees this guy doing this icemage rotation, and he only do it because the first guy does it and to see what hes actually doing. So throughout the run he does fire 3>blizzard 3>fire 3>freeze. Problem is you don't know if this guy troll or not, but let's asume he doesn't and he have fun doing this rotation throughout the dungeon. Would you be fine with it? I mean they have fun and you accepted the fact you can meet 2 of the same people. Or 1 just simply copycat the icemage and then say he has fun, but you have no clue it's troll or not. Would this be fine for you? Before you would ask me the same question: No, because I would find it selfish, even if I did click the button there is so much one should accept and be naive for.
I think in the end, whoever joines duty finder, expects people to have somewhat common sense or manners at all. For certain I do, because it's a group content. I would give a rats ass if he was doing it by themselves. But simply keep 3 other people ''hostage'' is a bit too far in my honest opinion.

[Khemorex]

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honestly ur obsession with trying to educate people in this thread and others is starting to get a bit out of control :P yes im well aware that theres trolls and people who have no clue about team play.
I can totally understand u why its fun to you to play with people on ur skill lvl ^^ but u need also to understand that some people never played a game before or an mmo :P
But also u cant seem to understand when ur overdoing it and when u need to stop ^^ Not everyone likes speed runs :P , u need to calm down a bit and take a step back ^^

[Teraluna]

Lets just take a step back a little

Everyone's different, in all walks of life. Some pick things up immediately, others take longer. Heck that's if they have similar tastes in the first place

Some people do like speed runs in dungeons/raids, always have done. Sometimes (or maybe all times) it's better to do this with players you know or do it with your guild.

I think that if you go into a purely pug group expecting a speed run, you are open to rng You may get lucky, you may not.
Sure you can feel a bit disappointed if it's not happening, but that's the situation with pug groups. They can vary pretty wildly, but they are what they are. Always been this way in mmo's over many years.

Personally I'd much rather take the time to help out struggling players in groups - maybe this is just because of the old school approach of a long serving mmo player.

There where times I wanted to do a quick run. I'd built up a good group of friends through guilds that could do these.

[Archaell]

Lets just take a step back a little

Everyone's different, in all walks of life. Some pick things up immediately, others take longer. Heck that's if they have similar tastes in the first place

Some people do like speed runs in dungeons/raids, always have done. Sometimes (or maybe all times) it's better to do this with players you know or do it with your guild.

Exactly! Everyone is different and that is good, what isn't good tho is that there is only one Duty Finder.

There isn't much that can be done about changing the way players play, but there are ways of changing the game!

Personally I don't believe that all the players should be forced to play together. Imagine that one player wants to get the duty done, another one is watching Netflix, third one wants to speed run and the fourth one wants to roleplay there - disaster ahead.

Usually when people are not satisfied with the lack of matchmaking in DF they are told to use PF.

The question is - Why can't DF have filters?

Just put there few check boxes, maybe even special vote kicks for each "ruleset", and allow players of similar mindset to play together. It would not fix all the problems, but it would be much better than the current totally random situation.

If two players can't stand one another you don't force them to play together, you put them in different groups.

[Lunavi]

Exactly! Everyone is different and that is good, what isn't good tho is that there is only one Duty Finder.

There isn't much that can be done about changing the way players play, but there are ways of changing the game!

Personally I don't believe that all the players should be forced to play together. Imagine that one player wants to get the duty done, another one is watching Netflix, third one wants to speed run and the fourth one wants to roleplay there - disaster ahead.

Usually when people are not satisfied with the lack of matchmaking in DF they are told to use PF.

The question is - Why can't DF have filters?

Just put there few check boxes, maybe even special vote kicks for each "ruleset", and allow players of similar mindset to play together. It would not fix all the problems, but it would be much better than the current totally random situation.

If two players can't stand one another you don't force them to play together, you put them in different groups.

But you don't have to play with everyone, there is PF for people who can't stand people who doesn't hold up to their pace. You can even create your own dungeon grind group if you want to... What many seem to not understand is that when you sign on for DF there is a (HUGE) chance that you will end up with bad players. That happens, and when it does you can either leave and eat the punishment, or vote abandon. Even daily roulette can from what I rememer be done in a premade nowadays so there is no reason for people who can't stand bad people running DF over PF.

[Archaell]

But you don't have to play with everyone, there is PF for people who can't stand people who doesn't hold up to their pace.

Why can't the "less commited players" use PF then to make DF a better place? :3

As it is now Duty Finder is working, yes, but it is also far from being perfect. A simple option to choose between "slow and easy" and "serious play" would make a huge difference. The only reason why having all the players in one pool is better are the Q times... but then we could just allow people to choose both options and just tell them what is the purpose of the run at the start.

Mixing players who do care about their performance with players who do not care is DF flaw that should be fixed.

[Lunavi]

Why can't the "less commited players" use PF then to make DF a better place? :3

As it is now Duty Finder is working, yes, but it is also far from being perfect. A simple option to choose between "slow and easy" and "serious play" would make a huge difference. The only reason why having all the players in one pool is better are the Q times... but then we could just allow people to choose both options and just tell them what is the purpose of the run at the start.

Mixing players who do care about their performance with players who do not care is DF flaw that should be fixed.

What is your suggestion to make DF able to do that? I don't understand why you want to run in DF when your needs are clearly those of one who should want to run in PF. PF can, in the long run, filter people out better than any program ever could.

[LadyVal]

Why can't the "less commited players" use PF then to make DF a better place? :3

As it is now Duty Finder is working, yes, but it is also far from being perfect. A simple option to choose between "slow and easy" and "serious play" would make a huge difference. The only reason why having all the players in one pool is better are the Q times... but then we could just allow people to choose both options and just tell them what is the purpose of the run at the start.

Mixing players who do care about their performance with players who do not care is DF flaw that should be fixed.

People select to be partied with players who don't even speak the same languages so that they can get shorter queue times. Once somebody sees that queuing for "slow and easy" means a 30 minute queue compared to a "serious play" queue time of 5 minutes, you can guess which queue people will use. And then will still complain about the same issues that are being complained about right now.

[Teraluna]

Good points from people.

I seem to recall a couple of options in other mmo's where players could give descriptions of what they where after when using the lfg tool.
I think it's Aion where you can not only put the instance you want, but enough typing space to add something more.
Sometimes players used this to put a stake on specific advanced loot (ha!), or in this case how they wanted to run the dungeon.
Here we go:
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2.../AionLFG01.jpg

I'm sure another mmo also allowed something similar, but cannot drag the name from history at the moment - need a speed run for coffee.

[Lambadelta]

Good points from people.

I seem to recall a couple of options in other mmo's where players could give descriptions of what they where after when using the lfg tool.
I think it's Aion where you can not only put the instance you want, but enough typing space to add something more.
Sometimes players used this to put a stake on specific advanced loot (ha!), or in this case how they wanted to run the dungeon.
Here we go:
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2.../AionLFG01.jpg

I'm sure another mmo also allowed something similar, but cannot drag the name from history at the moment - need a speed run for coffee.

So the party finder?