Can we have option to VK a player because they are below a reasonable skill level?

[FoxyAreku]

Some people are just bad and you have to grin and bare it.

Don't know how some of the people I've seen in duty finder are able to walk and breathe at the same time.

[MeiUshu]

@Krenian
If you were on my server i would come and kiss you it is exactly it and unfortunately people kick others for no reasons other then *they can*

[Joe_Schmoe]

Can we have option to VK a player because they are below a reasonable skill level?

Bad idea. Reeks too much of this. (Couldn't find a shorter version of this. Sorry.)

[alimdia]

Not sure why people are still arguing, a GM response was posted in page 3 http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...28#post2358628 if someone is preventing the party to finish the duty by not fulfilling their role they can be voted to be dismissed, there's no "if i can enter the content i have the right to be there", it's a group content after all, not solo content, so OP, if this scenario ever appears, you're free to vote dismiss, just don't be too hasty and give them a few chances (like you did).

[Kerii]

You may vote kick based on "difference in play style." Player skill is subjective, so this is the only acceptable answer.

[Nici]

Not sure why people are still arguing, a GM response was posted in page 3 http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...28#post2358628

Ehh...i think it's great to have a good healthy discussion/debate over things like this with the game community....as long as some of us keep it civil and have our coffee and lunch before we post and stupidly personally attack anther person (sorry again ASHE! lol), it's nice to read people differing opinions and thoughts on the subject...it might even give more additional feedback to the Devs.

[worldofneil]

if someone is preventing the party to finish the duty by not fulfilling their role they can be voted to be dismissed

That's not what they said though:

Good examples of this that have been provided in this thread are the refusal to fulfill one's job function.

Refusing to play the role isn't the same as not being up to the standard you want/not being very good at it. All that Moderator confirmed was if the tank refuses to tank or if the healer refuses to heal or a DPS refuses to attack, then you can kick them. Nothing at all about kicking them because they don't play like you want them to.

[MaikoRaines]

That's like... on the level of why I can't get an invite for a Seph EX or a Thordan EX party - despite knowing the entire fights, no one will invite me because I've never pulled a clear.

Speed runs are one thing - if one person wants to blaze thru it and throw caution to the wind, you should find other people who are onboard with it. Otherwise, I am not onboard with being forced to go quick because someone wants to speed run something. I feel it creates a negative experience with other people in PUGs that are there and want to accomplish it at a normal pace.

I heal at a pretty good, quick pace. But when someone goes in half-cocked before a ready check or before everyone's in the room prior to pull, it stresses me out because I want to be sure mechanics are followed (not skipped because it doesn't always happen) and that I can heal everyone as quick as I am able to. When I get into a PUG Ravana EX and I am told we're skipping adds and the DPS doesn't check - it's a wipe. Who gets blamed? DPS? Healer? It's stressful! It's not what I signed up for.

Anyways, I'm ranting -_-;;

[Corfish]

That's not what they said though:



Refusing to play the role isn't the same as not being up to the standard you want/not being very good at it. All that Moderator confirmed was if the tank refuses to tank or if the healer refuses to heal or a DPS refuses to attack, then you can kick them. Nothing at all about kicking them because they don't play like you want them to.

There is not much ambiguity to that sentence. If a person is intentionally acting in a manner that is detrimental to the completion of the duty, then the use of the vote dismiss feature is unlikely to be a violation. If the concern is that this will be used as an excuse to abuse the feature, if our investigation determines that they did perform their duties in an appropriate manner and were kicked due to unrealistic expectations, then it could be found to be an abuse of the vote dismiss feature. A GM investigation will make the final determination about if the feature was used appropriately.

This part implies to me that it doesn't have to be intentional grief. Kicking someone because they won't speedrun? That's improper use of the votekick. Kicking someone because they cannot hold hate at all? You would probably be justified regardless of if they tried or not.

[Shaverman5000]

Sigh... i have seen a similiar scenario.

Everyone rushing the tank to do massive amounts of pulls when hes not comfortable with it.

I have seen this happen to tanks, and its considered a type of harassment... if what you want DOES happen, tanks like this will get kicked.