Can we have option to VK a player because they are below a reasonable skill level?

[Lan_Mantear]

I don't understand the point of this post. What is stopping you from vote kicking and just picking a random reason? The kicked player is never told the reason, and unless someone actively files a complaint, GM's are not involved at all. Why do we need to call out whether or not a player is incompetent? So we can ostracize them and talk behind their back? Take screenshots and make posts of it in forums for our amusement?

[Nici]

Don't give me that different play style crap.

There is a right way and a wrong way to play each class in this game. If your "play style" is causing issues, then it's YOUR responsibility to either change the way you play or leave. A dungeon is a group effort, don't hold the other members hostage to your BS just because you have an inflated ego

Wow....lol...you sure are an A**, I think it's our responsibility as veterans and as more experienced players to help those that are struggling and in need of help if only we have the patience and tolerance to do so, have it ever occurred to you that some players might have a disability that might affect the way they play?, Instead of kicking and putting down those in need of help why not take some time and help elevate them so they can get used to playing their class to an acceptable level.

From what I've seen the op and this person and a few others on this thread only seem to care about is getting their tomes and lore as quickly and as fast as possible so they can show off their next e-peen piece of gear, We all have a choice....we can either try and have some patience and help these players or we can be jerks and not have our time wasted by people who are struggling and in need of guidance and help.

And like Xlantaa said...sometimes it is difficult to see if a person is truly struggling or just trolling for sh*** and giggles, who knows...that person you help today might walk away with a nice memory and show our FFXIV player community could be really great.

[Lambadelta]

Wow....lol...you sure are an A**, I think it's our responsibility as veterans and as more experienced players to help those that are struggling and in need of help

Isn't this why we have a mentor system? When did it become our job to teach people in a time where we're meant to be having fun in a subscription based game.

[Nici]

Isn't this why we have a mentor system? When did it become our job to teach people in a time where we're meant to be having fun in a subscription based game.

Oh Definitely and it was a great idea for SE to implement such a system, and our "job"?? if you like to think of it that way then that'r your own issue, like i said we all have a choice....we can choose to help or not.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

See, I would try to help people, but any time you tell someone "you're playing wrong" they tell you to piss off.

I was in ARF for Mentor Roulette the other day as a SCH. Had a SMN and BLM as the DPS. The SMN s basically Ruin 3 spamming (not even using Dots) and the BLM was doing 2.0 rotation and using transpose as opposed to just using Fire 3/Blz 3 to switch (thus he spammed Blizzard until Transpose came back).

As a result, failed DPS checks on the first boss (the turrets that explode if not killed). When I told the SMN to use Dots, I got the curt reply "Don't tell me how to play my job" and the Tank told me to shut up and just focus on healing.

The BLM gave a similar response, when I asked where Enochian was (something along the lines of "2.0 rotation is easier and not a huge loss)

So no, I'm not being mean, people are just stubborn. Very rarely do people actually take your advice and say " thanks for the tips ". Even if you word it in the nicest way possible

[FinaSel]

Because it's not fair (or respectful) for one incapable person to hold back three/seven capable ones?

Boy, that was easy.

Is it just me, or does this reply sound unnecessarily hostile?

In any event, I would like to know what the reason for the healer's poor performance was and what dungeon it was. All we know is that it was a "leveling dungeon", so the healer was likely still learning.
If the issue was being inappropriately geared, then it's not only completely the healer's fault, but there isn't really any way to fix that once in the dungeon.

If it is just a poor performance issue in a leveling dungeon, there is a good chance this healer is not used to their job yet. I do not think it is "disrespectful" for someone in a leveling dungeon to hold back other because they are still in the process of learning their job. (Unless they are doing it on purpose.)


To illustrate, I was once in a leveling dungeon with a BLM who, although having several other jobs at 60, was still learning how to play BLM. I quickly noticed he was only using Blizzard at first.
I explained the basic BLM rotation to him and he said he understood. Despite this, he still couldn't do it correctly.
So, I tried explaining it again and giving him advice after each set of trash. I think I gave him advice on his spell usage at least 5 times throughout the dungeon.

Of course, this player was clearly performing poorly and holding everyone else back, which in no way was disrespectful. He just didn't know. But I would never have kicked him or suggested he leave unless by the end of the dungeon he hadn't made any attempt to take my advice. By watching his actions and giving advice, he was able to improve throughout the dungeon and, at the end, performed like a star. I'm sure that he will continue to do well in future dungeons. Had we kicked him, he may still be struggling even now, as no one in any of the previous dungeons he was in took the time to give him any advice on how to play BLM.

[Ashelia_Ferron]

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Well lucky you then. Very few people I've encountered have that same positive attitude.

Ran Vault the other day on my BRD. Tank did some large pulls. Noticed the BLM was only doing Fire 1. I suggested he use Fire 2/Flare so we can clear the mobs faster. He said "I'll play how I want, thanks".

The whole " I play how I want " attitude is much too common to have to just deal with

[Nici]

See, I would try to help people, but any time you tell someone "you're playing wrong" they tell you to piss off.
So no, I'm not being mean, people are just stubborn. Very rarely do people actually take your advice and say " thanks for the tips ". Even if you word it in the nicest way possible

I've had situations like that too, and i will agree with you on VKing these kinds of people, they will not accept your help or advice and to top it off keep making mistakes, and have them reply in a rude manner to your advice and help?....then yeah it is an acceptable choice to ask them to leave or VKing them, or abandon the run and move on, but the OPs run was a little different...sure he gave some guidance and direction, but seems he finally lost his patience after a few tries, all players are different and have their own learning speed, some people pick up things really quickly...others need more time, again like i said we all have a choice...how much time we decide to give to helping someone or not is up to us in the end.

And i'd like to apologize to you ashe for calling you an A** lol...ive seen too many elitist players give new players a hard time and my emotions got the better of me.

[Lexia]

OP what is your "standard" was the tank trying to pull every mob in sight and healer couldn't keep up, or did tank try pulling smaller groups of mobs and healer still couldn't keep tank healed, or did the tank just continue to do the same type of pulls all 3 times (big pulls I assume) and expect it to go differently?

[Ashelia_Ferron]

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And i'd like to apologice to you ashe for calling you an A** lol...ive seen too many elitist players give new players a hard time and my emotions got the better of me.

No hard feelings, I've just had bad experiences with DF players very recently, so the salt is fresh lol.

I'm in no way implying people should just vote kick newbies. But if you give someone a few chances and advice, and there is no improvement at all (or a refusal to improve), the whole group just shouldn't suffer for it, and vote dismiss is wholly appropriate