3.2 PvP: Feast Game Mode Discussion Thread.

[Canadane]

Since making my last post, I, as a Silver tier healer, been consistently paired up with an unranked healer.
To make it "fair" the game gives me an unranked dps.

This is far from fair. My teams have been unable to get kills, they rarely listen to directions and at times simply run off to the other side of the arena for no real reason. Everyones new at some point, yes. But the basic new healer (never has been another scholar, mind you...) can keep their players up while their experienced DPS mows us down once I'm exhausted. The carry is entirely on the DPS, as good or as bad as a healer can be (and yeah I've had my bad plays) so matching class to class would be much preferred instead of an collective team based tier average.

I do fine if I'm against another experienced healer. They're some of the most fun matches, but usually because our DPS are on equal footing as well.
But hey I'm just salty that 45 minutes is enough for me to lose 100 points. But it has gotten to the point where I won't even queue up if I know one of the unranked healers are in queue, because it'll give me a tactical disadvantage to doing so.

[KfLeX]

Seems like I'm struggling just to get to silver. My ranking goes up down up down :/

[Nakanishi]

As far as melee rankings go it's: MNK > DRG >NIN

DRG is easily the worst melee of the bunch with its very noticeably inferior mobility compared to the other 2 melee

MNK/NIN mobility verse every other Job's mobility is barely noticeable when it matters, what is it 10%? Simply Sprinting (no cost) puts everyone on the same pace. The additional movement speed is one of the few one-ups NIN has over DRG, which is barely anything if you are trying to catch-up. Which is not really an issue with numerous gap closers/weapon throw/sprint/cc/etc. In the escape options, yes its a plus, but that is about the only avenue NIN has over both MNK/DRG.

its glaring lack of defensive cooldowns or tools (ala Axe kick, Shade shift, Fists of Earth, and enhanced movement speed (fists of wind/poison toggle))

MNK is superior when it comes to defense and defensive utility, hands down. NIN's Shadeshift is also fairly powerful, although it only works against Physical Attacks. MNK/DRG have Bloodbath, which is exceptionally powerful to help heal themselves if they are getting bursted while they are bursting, in which Life Surge also has additional healing. Bloodbath/Life Surge + Enhanced Keen Flurry vs Shade Shift puts DRG/NIN pretty even in the defense department

The enhanced movement is only valid when you are escaping thus meaning you are most likely on the losing end of the encounter and/or sacrificing damage to potentially alleviate/delay yourself of death. In the theory of using the movement speed to escape, you are also saving Fetter Ward for it, any decent player/team will use Stun/Heavy/Bind to catch-up and demolish you, and if you are saving it for that, that means the burst you may do will easily be interrupted.

its general lack of utility when compared to Ninja and Monk (who can bind, hide with medals, strip buffs, silence lock whms to secure kills in instances etc)

Monk's utility is so great because of its uniqueness, the ability to repeatedly strip buffs, enhanced Mantra, AoE Pacification, and the bonus of reducing caster damage.

NIN on the other hand has a Bind (EVERY Range/Healer has this,DRs), Grounded Heavy (sacrifices damage to do utility ninjutsu), a 3s silence (very good), 10% vuln (unreliable), slashing debuff (lol PLD damage), and the ability to Hide (which is more of an oversight than utility). The utility that stood out the most for NIN was taken completely away, which was the 20% healing down.

NIN's utility on paper seems like a lot, but take it in to an actual Lv. 60 PvP fight, and the power it once had in Patch ~3.1 Lv. 50 Den just feels so weak in comparison.

DRG's utility is mostly damage boosting with Disembowel and Battle Litany which are very strong. Battle Litany being good for offense/defense allowing healers to crit more. However DRG has taken a hit to Slow/skewer duration, albeit, the slow is still exceptionally strong.

DRG/MNK also very slightly increase tank damage just by existing in the party.

Only thing DRG has going for it atm is the fact that MCH is so feared (and brd to a lesser extent) and therefore we work well with them for the purpose of being a disembowel and litany bi**ch. Yet I dont see any DRG's crying nearly as much as these phantom Ninjas who these repeated buffs are trying to appease.

DRG actually has a lot going for it. On top of the stuff mentioned above, it has the strongest burst of the three which is saying a lot in a game mode with win conditions centered around strongly timed burst. While NIN burst is not far behind, it is unreliable, and can be seen MILES away, more noticeable than that of a Bard. It is also easier to mitigate by simply not turning your back to them forcing them to blow a stun if they think they're gonna do a powerful burst.

Overall(NIN/DRG): DRG has superior offense/sustain, NIN/DRG similar levels of defense, NIN better utility, DRG has superior burst. DRG is just simply better.

Being able to run and hide like a b- is the only reason to bring a NIN, but it doesn't make a job good in a game mode about killing other players. Unless, of course, we are referring to solo queue in which no one knows anything about Ninja.

Even then, in order to get out of combat you have to either kill everyone or be almost 65% of the map away from the people you are in combat with. Yes, if by some miracle your team gets ahead of another equally skilled team (different comp), perhaps you can run for 3 minutes around the map. I'd just bring a BLM for that though.

Don't get me wrong, though, I adore Ninja, would love to play it again competitively, but it just isn't there.

[Blubbers]

■The Use of Third-Party Tools for Tracking Buffs and Debuffs■

It would be great if it were easier to track someone's buffs using the current in-game system. Currently when you focus target someone, and you only get a few buffs displayed and they are usually unimportant buffs like protect, stoneskin, attack up box buff, etc...

If you could display more buffs on focus target or prioritize the buffs displayed, it would be much easier to track buffs and those who use these timers wouldn't be at as large of an advantage.

On the same note - it would be nice if CC resists were added as debuffs. You'd be able to tell when someone has 2 stacks of sleep/stun resist and how long until it runs out. It would also help newer people understand about the CC resist system works and help both sides track resists without using an external program.

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I just think this isn't true. It hasn't been demonstrated at all.

There's a player in PvP that PURPOSELY stops playing when I'm in the match with him. Over the last 7 matches I've had with him, we've won 1 and lost 6. He's literally said he doesn't like me and he doesn't want to play solo queue, but he doesn't have enough people to play party, so he's harassing players in solo to force them to go party.

He's straight up ADMIT to losing if I'm in the team with him. Guess what? I've reported it 4 times now and a week later he's still playing and doing the same thing.

This is just a case of saying one thing and doing another. The GM team aren't even responding to my recent inquiries - straight up ignoring them. Why hasnt action been taken on him or players like him? Players that speedhack? Why arent the GM's doing anything about it?

[Rufalus]

Come on Yoshi.

If you banned parsers there wouldn't be groups of people going "oh no what about Teamspeak?!"

If you actually read the message, he is saying that they will be using different encryption for PvP to make parsers not work in PvP but still work in PvE.

and I'm not sure what you're getting at with Teamspeak, must be pretty good solo Qs you're doing when the team is on Teamspeak.

MrP was referring to the line:
As prohibiting the use of third-party tools can lead some to confusion (”Are chat programs prohibited?” “What falls within the definition of “third-party tool?”)


So he was just saying he doubts that players will be confused about the distinction between parsers and chat programs like TeamSpeak when the developers talk about outlawing third-party tools.

[Rufalus]

I don't think we're asking for a lot when we ask for an actual purpose for Wolf Marks. You update your PvE vendors almost every patch and have added a gear mender to Wolves Den Pier (thanks for that, by the way). Surely it can't be too difficult to make Wolf Marks meaningful and useful.

I use wolf marks for desynthesis. Gives me skill points and sometimes produces fairly valuable items, such as Astral Oil from the IL 180 SCH/SMN weapons.

Alternative is just submit the gear pieces to Grand Company for company seals, spend those on ventures, dark matter, consumables or crafting materials.

[Februs]

I use wolf marks for desynthesis.

Yeah. That has been the common method for using Wolf Marks since they took Morale out of the game, and, quite frankly, it shows just how dumb and inefficient the system is. We are, quite literally, money laundering our own Wolf Marks just so we can use them for something. Wolf Marks should have an immediate value, not a 3 to 4 step conversion process for a diminished return.

[Ransu]

I just think this isn't true. It hasn't been demonstrated at all.

There's a player in PvP that PURPOSELY stops playing when I'm in the match with him. Over the last 7 matches I've had with him, we've won 1 and lost 6. He's literally said he doesn't like me and he doesn't want to play solo queue, but he doesn't have enough people to play party, so he's harassing players in solo to force them to go party.

He's straight up ADMIT to losing if I'm in the team with him. Guess what? I've reported it 4 times now and a week later he's still playing and doing the same thing.

This is just a case of saying one thing and doing another. The GM team aren't even responding to my recent inquiries - straight up ignoring them. Why hasnt action been taken on him or players like him? Players that speedhack? Why arent the GM's doing anything about it?

I've seen people do this in swtor ranked as well. It sucks. I get it, I prefer having a team over queuing solo and betting my luck on a bunch of randoms, but sadly most people rather queue solo. Doesn't give people the right to be jerks though.

[Rufalus]

Yeah. That has been the common method for using Wolf Marks since they took Morale out of the game, and, quite frankly, it shows just how dumb and inefficient the system is. We are, quite literally, money laundering our own Wolf Marks just so we can use them for something. Wolf Marks should have an immediate value, not a 3 to 4 step conversion process for a diminished return.

Well I guess they could put in a second kind of higher wolf mark currency with a weekly cap, and that buys stronger gear.

The regular uncapped wolf marks are equivalent to uncapped Esoterics tomes, you get so many by spamming battles until you no longer have an important use for them.

Alternatively, add more substantial rewards to the materia vendor at wolves' den pier. Throw out those status resist materia and replace it with IV + V stat materia like pirate spoil vendors offers. And unidentifiable items for Anima weapon creation.