Request: Remove iLVL requirement for undersized party or pre-made groups

[Fynlar]

Yeah, the item level thing should only apply to having to grab people off the duty finder, just like enforcing the 1/1/2 or 2/2/4 party setups. Premades should not be subject to any of that stuff. If PF groups want to have an item level requirement for entry they can set one themselves.

So that one high level character could carry up to 3 bots and gave them access to Ishgard ?
Please, no.

Oh, please. You act like that's a hard thing to do for someone who already knows how to play the game

(presumably, if someone is dedicated enough to the game to run 4 accounts at the same time, they probably know how to play the game on at least some fundamental level)

[Reynhart]

Oh, please. You act like that's a hard thing to do for someone who already knows how to play the game

It's not hard so we should...ease it...somehow ?

This feature's only purpose would be to allow carrying people. How else would you justify asking for acces in a Duty for wich you're clearly undergeared ?

And I'm pretty sure it would be super fun to see all those gathering bot flooding in HW zones, right ?

[Xavikon]

Reynhart,

There will be multiple responses due to the character limitation of a single response.

I don't really want to distract from the original request, but I feel like you're derailing the discussion already. RMT and bots exist in FFXIV, and they will continue to exist as long as people play the game. As far as your concern about making it easier for RMT to level their bots, I don't know that you really are comprehending what goes into leveling a bot.

Basically, these companies, or individuals in some cases, write scripts/programs that have "memorized" the dungeon paths and the exact set of key presses required to complete them. They then set up numerous servers with virtual machines that run hundreds of instances of the game. Finally, they run the script and walk away, or perhaps have maybe one person managing hundreds of accounts at a time in the event that the script or software breaks.

[Xavikon]

Removing the iLVL requirement from pre-made groups doesn't make this task any easier for them. Typically you will see a 'bot group' as all the same classes, all the same level and all the same(or similar) gear. This is because the scripts and planning that goes into running these bots assumes NO variation. Everything should happen in a predictable manner so the human supervisor of the bots needs to interact with them as little as possible. To suddenly change it so you take one geared character and many undergeared characters would require rewriting of software/scripts that have been working for years now for little to no reasonable gain or improvement in efficiency.

I understand your frustration with bots, they are aggravating. However, let the task force do their job and track down the RMT groups. Let the designers create an enjoyable experience for the rest of us.

[Xavikon]

I would also note that the arbitrary iLVL requirements set forth by the DevTeam are absolutely NOT the minimum iLVL required to complete the instance. Examples include, but are not limited to Lucrezia and Coil. The iLVL req. set by the DF is i82 for T5, and i123 for T13. You can go over to Lucrezia's YouTube page and find where they completed this content with ~i55 and ~i90 gear respectively. That is nearly a 30 iLVL difference between Duty Finder arbitrary "requirements" and what is truly needed to complete content.

So please, before marking undergeared as defined by your own, or even the DevTeam's arbitrary opinion, realize that there are exceptionally skilled players out there, such a Lucrezia or Elysium and others, that enjoy the challenge. And while the lack of this feature does not hinder them, their success provides evidence that it is not necessary to burden others who are able to carry their friends with the need to buy higher iLVL gear when it is unnecessary.

[Reynhart]

So please, before marking undergeared as defined by your own, or even the DevTeam's arbitrary opinion, realize that there are exceptionally skilled players out there, such a Lucrezia or Elysium and others, that enjoy the challenge.

So change your gear once you're in the dungeon, ...you can already do that...

Seriously, if that's your motivation, you're making a fuss for nothing, since ilvl only applies to the Duty Finder, and that exceptionally skilled players like Lucrezia or Elysium have all the gear they need to meet the ilvl requirement way before the dungeons are even created...

By, the way, you can edit your post to bypass the 1000 characters limit.

[Xavikon]

So change your gear once you're in the dungeon, ...you can already do that...

Seriously, if that's your motivation, you're making a fuss for nothing, since ilvl only applies to the Duty Finder, and that exceptionally skilled players like Lucrezia or Elysium have all the gear they need to meet the ilvl requirement way before the dungeons are even created...

By, the way, you can edit your post to bypass the 1000 characters limit.

Thanks for the info regarding how to get around 1000 char limit. I don't post on the forums often, so this is helpful information.

I'm not trying to make a fuss, I simply asked for a feature to return to the game that was previously existent in ARR. There does seem to be exceptional negative feedback to this idea, some legitimate, some unfounded. I just don't like seeing groundless arguments against something.

Additionally, as I mentioned, I am not looking for this feature for the exceptional players. I just encountered this issue the other night trying to bring new players through ancient Coil content and thought it seemed quite silly that I have to go buy/craft them i125 gear just to queue for a pre-made dungeon group that is 7/8 in i220/i230 gear.

Thanks~

[WhiteArchmage]

I would also note that the arbitrary iLVL requirements set forth by the DevTeam are absolutely NOT the minimum iLVL required to complete the instance. Examples include, but are not limited to Lucrezia and Coil. The iLVL req. set by the DF is i82 for T5, and i123 for T13. You can go over to Lucrezia's YouTube page and find where they completed this content with ~i55 and ~i90 gear respectively. That is nearly a 30 iLVL difference between Duty Finder arbitrary "requirements" and what is truly needed to complete content.

Having just gone to Lucrezia's YouTube page I'm going to call BS or gross exaggeration here. Their t5 clear does use some i55 gear but the weapons are i70 (and weapons may be the most important gear) while they did t13 in i110 at least, not i90 as you say. You'll also notice those runs are very long and, dare I say it, almost hit enrage and everyone needs to be on point on DPS (as well as their cooldowns) so most raid groups wouldn't be able to clear it.

However, there are still way too many people who reach Steps of Faith and can't clear it because they've been carried through all content (and yes, I say STILL because the other day a friend was stuck in one run where they got Vishap to 50% by the time they got to last gate). People would just buy carries through t1-13 or Alexander Savage or carry their friends. And reaching the necessary ilvl isn't even hard, especially for new players who get a set of i90 gear alongside their job quest blues and free i110-100 gear on story quests, and that's not even getting into Ishgard. So no, removing min ilvl from duties is just laziness and very exploitable.

And, as said already, you can edit your post after posting it to get aroung the 1k limit. As I just did.

[Xavikon]

Having just gone to Lucrezia's YouTube page I'm going to call BS or gross exaggeration here. Their t5 clear does use some i55 gear but the weapons are i70 (and weapons may be the most important gear) while they did t13 in i110 at least, not i90 as you say. You'll also notice those runs are very long and, dare I say it, almost hit enrage and everyone needs to be on point on DPS (as well as their cooldowns) so most raid groups wouldn't be able to clear it.
However, there are still way too many people who reach Steps of Faith and can't clear it because they've been carried through all content (and yes, I say STILL because the other day a friend was stuck in one run where they got Vishap to 50% by the time they got to last gate). People would just buy carries through t1-13 or Alexander Savage or carry their friends. And reaching the necessary ilvl isn't even hard, especially for new players who get a set of i90 gear alongside their job quest blues and free i110-100 gear on story quests, and that's not even getting into Ishgard. So no, removing min ilvl from duties is just laziness and very exploitable.

And, as said already, you can edit your post after posting it to get aroung the 1k limit. As I just did.

I apologize, in my creation of the post I skipped over T9. T5 was done in i55~ gear. T9 was done in i90~ gear and T13 was in i110~ gear. The maximum available at the time the content was first released.

Better gear does not prevent people from being carried in any way. The free i110,i120 is not enough to reach the i123 requirement of T13. And the point is not about the difficulty of overcoming this barrier to entry. It is that is possibly an unnecessary one that could be removed with little ill-effect. It only took me ~5 minutes to go buy the gear necessary for our companion to get into T13, but since we are all i220,i230, and in a premade group of eight, I shouldn't have had to do that in the first place, IMHO.