Parry: How would you improve it?

[Lyth]

I feel that unless warrior gets a parry-driven proc, it will lag behind any changes made to paladin or dark knight in the MT role.

Interesting that you should say that. WAR actually does have access to such a skill as a cross-class: Haymaker. It just doesn't get used because it's linked to a dodge proc (and most tanks tend to trust dodge even less than they do parry), and because it remained on GCD even after Shield Swipe was switched over to oGCD.

It would be interesting to see what happened if they made it oGCD in keeping with Shield Swipe. Featherfoot doesn't boost evasion as much as DA DD, but it has an interesting synergy with Haymaker, and there seems to be a broader selection of attacks that you can actually dodge after Heavensward. This is something that you could potentially even implement in this expansion series with a few tweaks.

[Violette]

Interesting that you should say that. WAR actually does have access to such a skill as a cross-class: Haymaker. It just doesn't get used because it's linked to a dodge proc (and most tanks tend to trust dodge even less than they do parry), and because it remained on GCD even after Shield Swipe was switched over to oGCD.

It would be interesting to see what happened if they made it oGCD in keeping with Shield Swipe. Featherfoot doesn't boost evasion as much as DA DD, but it has an interesting synergy with Haymaker, and there seems to be a broader selection of attacks that you can actually dodge after Heavensward. This is something that you could potentially even implement in this expansion series with a few tweaks.

........So they don't have access to a parry-driven proc.
While Haymaker on a Dark Knight could be usable, on warrior it's got no place compared to provoke/conv/awareness/internal release and flash/second wind. Dodge itself is not a rewarding defensive statistic, unless it's possible to be stacked past 50% (aka where it becomes comfortable), at which point it plain outstrips every other stat. And Shield Swipe is a gcd.

So yeah, not really. As Gray said, passive defensive is pretty boring to play with (hello 1.0 paladin), so adding ANOTHER ONE to the mix to depend on will exacerbate the issue.

[Lyth]

........So they don't have access to a parry-driven proc.

You're right. Go ahead and wait for a parry proc oGCD then. Wouldn't want to lose out on trait-less Flash or Second Wind in favour of an extra oGCD. Axe-based combat should be all about finesse and parrying, after all.

I don't even think that this is an issue, to be honest. WAR most certainly doesn't need a dps boost relative to the other two tanks. But if you want to make use of an existing, underutilized skill for more variety in playstyle, it's already there. It just needs a bit of an adjustment before people can actually get some use out of it.

[Violette]

You're right. Go ahead and wait for a parry proc oGCD then. Wouldn't want to lose out on trait-less Flash or Second Wind in favour of an extra oGCD. Axe-based combat should be all about finesse and parrying, after all.

I don't even think that this is an issue, to be honest. WAR most certainly doesn't need a dps boost relative to the other two tanks. But if you want to make use of an existing, underutilized skill for more variety in playstyle, it's already there. It just needs a bit of an adjustment before people can actually get some use out of it.

Don't get snooty with me. For the same reasons parry is terribad currently, dodge is even worse (unless you are a dk where it's actually kind of on par in trash situations x>3 or 4 where x = no of physical attackers). It's not about "we need a parry proc oGCD", it's "if we want to give parry an offensive component" like I suggested, we need to shore up the weakness it war's kit (by giving it as I suggested, a near purely defensive ability).

Or return storm path's original bubble (woo) and make it give the warrior a buff for 5% damage down for x seconds, and make warrior's parry proc the same as reprisal (with lower damage to compensate). It's simply based around the fact that if they do change parry to make it useful, it has ramifications on the offense of Dark Knights (assuming block gets a similar change then paladin too), while leaving warrior in the dust. Of course, this would also be a chance to TAKE warrior's OT utility and give it to MT warrior's near exclusively, which would help disrupt the current balance of OT tank.

[Lyth]

Don't get snooty with me. For the same reasons parry is terribad currently, dodge is even worse (unless you are a dk where it's actually kind of on par in trash situations x>3 or 4 where x = no of physical attackers). It's not about "we need a parry proc oGCD", it's "if we want to give parry an offensive component" like I suggested, we need to shore up the weakness it war's kit (by giving it as I suggested, a near purely defensive ability).

Yeah, that was a bit of a low blow. <Parry> Low blow. <Parry> Low blow... that's it! Parry will overturn the old double WAR regime. We'll just stack parry after it gets upgraded and use low blow procs to boost DRK's MT dps. That will really show up the weaknesses in WAR's kit and leave it in the dust. Said no one ever.

If you wanted to make a parry based proc, you'd have some rebalancing to do with Raw Intuition and Defiance's parry rate bonuses. Tank equality is important, but sometimes there are reasons why skills aren't simply directly copy-pasted across the board. It's okay to occasionally not have something that another tank has. There will be other things that even it out.

[Brian_]

Yeah, that was a bit of a low blow. <Parry> Low blow. <Parry> Low blow... that's it! Parry will overturn the old double WAR regime. We'll just stack parry after it gets upgraded and use low blow procs to boost DRK's MT dps. That will really show up the weaknesses in WAR's kit and leave it in the dust. Said no one ever.

I'd just like to point out that this is actually (partially) why DRK was the preferred MT over WAR in the last raid tier. When MTing gritless DRKs actually had higher DPS than WARs in part because of their parry based procs (though probably more due to their MP sustain from Blood Price + Blood Weapon).

So you can laugh at it but there is some truth to the idea.