Patch 3.26 Discussion

[Jimoori]

If they actually gave you a good reward, heck; I would LOVE to do it. However, doing a long stressful job and getting nothing out of it? No thanks.

This is why games like Dark Souls are so fun. Yes, you have really really hard content, but once you beat it; you most likely get something way worth the effort for what you did, it feels good. When you go through all that stress, and get nothing? .... The content's armor isn't even GOOD looking.

The reward isn't anything tangible like gear or mounts and glamour. The reward is the content itself. People don't play Dark Souls to get a good weapon, they play it because it's a challenging and fun game in general.

The excuse of "it's just gonna be outdated later, why bother" is a terrible one. If you don't like the fights then by all means don't do it. But don't blame the lack of reward for not doing it.

[HPDelron]

Who cares? In three-four months better gear will be dropping from far easier content. This isn't a game that rewards you for challenge, so the only reason to do it is Epeen stroking.

If they actually gave you a good reward, heck; I would LOVE to do it. However, doing a long stressful job and getting nothing out of it? No thanks.

What about just enjoying the mechanics of and the feeling of accomplishment that comes from doing something difficult with a team? The best thing about raiding is that feeling of wanting to put in one more attempt because the one you just did was "The last one for tonight" but you wound up making it to the next phase or got 5% closer to down before wipe. The best thing about raiding is the celebration on voice chat when the boss finally goes down. The best thing about raiding is being to poke fun at someone when they slip up and die to some mechanic you had on farm months ago.

The reward is not in whatever meaningless bit of stats and icons that happen to drop, however good or crappy they may be. The loot is a means to an end. The reward is the social engagement that comes from doing the content. The "Epeen stroking" as you put is at best an enjoyable side-benefit when folks start to get all high and mighty about how stupid they think raiding is.

[Miscreant]

When you're looking at magnitudes raid-wide damage doing 15k with paralyze, echo doesn't help that (just like how echo doesn't help on fights like T7 or t9). Not to say it won't make the fight easier in some sense, but it doesn't resolve why most groups can't get through it if they don't have the luxury of time.

Lets face it though, if you don't have the luxury of time the raids in this game probably aren't for you.

But thats silly anyway, everyone in my static is in full time employment, lawyers, designer, programmers etc one guy even has a wife and kids on top of that, we still manage our time well enough to be on the last 10% of A7S.

[MagiusNecros]

With Dark Knight's Dark Arts changes you can get faster DA Abyssal Drains and you can reliably stack DA Dark Dance and DA Dark Passenger at about the same time for lots of increased Parry and lots of Evasion. And getting DA Souleater > DA CnS is more lenient.

[Jhett_Magnum]

Who cares? In three-four months better gear will be dropping from far easier content. This isn't a game that rewards you for challenge, so the only reason to do it is Epeen stroking.

If they actually gave you a good reward, heck; I would LOVE to do it. However, doing a long stressful job and getting nothing out of it? No thanks.

This is why games like Dark Souls are so fun. Yes, you have really really hard content, but once you beat it; you most likely get something way worth the effort for what you did, it feels good. When you go through all that stress, and get nothing? .... The content's armor isn't even GOOD looking.

we need a dislike button

[Velhart]

Who cares? In three-four months better gear will be dropping from far easier content. This isn't a game that rewards you for challenge, so the only reason to do it is Epeen stroking.

If they actually gave you a good reward, heck; I would LOVE to do it. However, doing a long stressful job and getting nothing out of it? No thanks.

This is why games like Dark Souls are so fun. Yes, you have really really hard content, but once you beat it; you most likely get something way worth the effort for what you did, it feels good. When you go through all that stress, and get nothing? .... The content's armor isn't even GOOD looking.

The developers saw a very low % clear rate. So they went ahead and adjusted it to see what the numbers were after.

If you are doing raiding just for the gear and not the thrill of accomplishing a difficult task with your fellow party members, then I feel sorry for you. Farming gear to most people is an afterthought or a means to make progression on the next piece of content easier. Its something you think about after the clear. By your logic, we should not play at all because what we do eventually gets outdated for new content.

Also, its funny you talk about Dark Souls, since it's purpose falls into the same category as Savage raids. Its about the accomplishment of defeating a really hard boss or obstacle in Dark Souls, not what piece of gear you get with it.

You seem to be on the extreme end of being materialistic in your online games.

[jssanderson747]

Lets face it though, if you don't have the luxury of time the raids in this game probably aren't for you.

But thats silly anyway, everyone in my static is in full time employment, lawyers, designer, programmers etc one guy even has a wife and kids on top of that, we still manage our time well enough to be on the last 10% of A7S.

Did you want a medal? These changes were likely implemented for the groups who've been stuck in the fight due to the difficulty of the first few bosses in the encounter causing time to be wasted. Some groups emply vastly different strategies that might cause different problems or cause zero problems. Half my server's raid scene is still in there working on mostly vortexer and swindler, and I'm sure if I asked, most of them would probably tell me the reason that's still the case is because of all the crap that can happen before you even reach those nerds.

[Miscreant]

we need a dislike button

He just doesn't understand raiding, it's not about the gear/rewards it's about beating the fights...not to say that the gear isn't appreciated

Did you want a medal? These changes were likely implemented for the groups who've been stuck in the fight due to the difficulty of the first few bosses in the encounter causing time to be wasted. Some groups emply vastly different strategies that might cause different problems or cause zero problems. Half my server's raid scene is still in there working on mostly vortexer and swindler, and I'm sure if I asked, most of them would probably tell me the reason that's still the case is because of all the crap that can happen before you even reach those nerds.

Someone a bit salty? Maybe misunderstood the context of my post too?

I went through the exact same stuff as those groups on your server and we 100% have a worst strategy than those groups, we don't bait the Mirages, we place them whereever then expect everyone else to dodge.

[Miyaka_Vigiles]

It would be ironic for all those complaining about the nerfs while not having the kill to still go into A6S this reset an still wipe on it

[RiceisNice]

Lets face it though, if you don't have the luxury of time the raids in this game probably aren't for you.

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That's kinda my point, there's no other raid otherwise. It's savage and EX trials when it comes to static raiding. That aside though, there being no raid suited for those type of players is what causes end game to bleed like it did in gordias. Normal Mode could have been for that, but instead it's DF-level for a weekly clear to get gear pieces.