Quote Originally Posted by vp_cmc View Post
Let the holy war begin!

Mch has:
heavy - useful in a3s adds or a6s adds phases (2-nd boss)
stun - useful in a7s big add
mini virus that lowers physical or magical attacks (dismantle\rend mind) - useful in big aoe hits
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-Heavy is also done by healers, summoners and BLMs. It's not exclusive enough to MCH to say it's something they can hold over BRD's head.
-The stun is a shorter duration than most melee stuns, let alone paladin stuns.
- It's 5%. This is hardly something ever worth bringing up in a BRD/MCH comparison at least from a progression standpoint.

Quote Originally Posted by vp_cmc View Post
brd has nothing to counter it.
brd has:
foe, ok, but not best choice in current group setups. and root+hypercharge increases mch dps while foe doesn't increase bards
second wind (as cross, yes)

-MCH has no answer to rain of death lowering enemy's evasion
-Foe still does it's job better regards to uptime and especially healer dps (combined with rain of death).
-MCH has no self heals, and this has been a bit of an issue more than I'd like, in solo, PvP and Raids.

And on the note of hypercharge increasing MCH's dps, keep in mind it also increases BRD's dps if they are in the same party. Even if oyu took the two into a vaccum, their personal dps is still close together even in consideration of hypercahrge boosting MCH's dps. That's like saying disembowel boosts DRG's dps.