Does Adloquium need a minor fix?

[Kaurie]

I am aware what others are saying, they just seem to be missing what I am saying. LDR, the first person to respond answered my inquiry. Mostly everyone else, just had to point out what I didn't take into account, which if my question was read correctly, people would of got that that I didn't take those things into account because they weren't needed. I mean come on, the FIRST person to respond got it on the nose, why couldn't everyone else.

Oh... erm... I mean, I'm done, maybe...

You were discussing the comparative values of MP cost when excluding the other aspects of MP usage and MP regen attributed between the 3 which applies to the overall class balance. I understood your post fine. You also just ignored the fact that Adlo is significantly better than AST aspected benefic due to CRITs (not to mention, ok I am mentioning it, deployment)

As an aside, it's fairly frustrating that you post asking for peoples opinions - but anyone who has a varied opinion to your own 'doesn't understand you'

[Eloah]

As an aside, it's fairly frustrating that you post asking for peoples opinions - but anyone who has a varied opinion to your own 'doesn't understand you'

The majority of people who answered didnt give me an opinion, they gave me a, "you forgot to take this into account" response. I have no problem with someone saying "I disagree, because of this and that", some people even did that. I wasn't taking the other utility into account because I wanted the skills to be taken at face value, based on all of the factors in that one skill alone.

[Katlyna]

The majority of people who answered didnt give me an opinion, they gave me a, "you forgot to take this into account" response. I have no problem with someone saying "I disagree, because of this and that", some people even did that. I wasn't taking the other utility into account because I wanted the skills to be taken at face value, based on all of the factors in that one skill alone.

Its not that you "forgot" is that you said you intentionally removed it as a factor. The problem being your discussion at that point is kind of in the dirt from most folks who are interested in theory craft (not everyone, but I would estimate a majority). Consequently you got the feedback that... your question is simply not interesting if you're going to ignore the pet.

Likewise this induces some rage, because in many ways Noct Astro is still NOTABLY deficit in comparison to Scholars. So much that securing a healer slot in a savage raid in the Scholar slot is virtually impossible (and possibly foolish). As some have pointed out Noct Astro's do have some advantages, the biggest being their kit has higher mobile healing than a scholar (due to the instant cast shield, lightspeed and Essential Dignity) Likewise Astros have the double heal-mode of Synastry. But again the problem falls that in current raid content Scholars ability to do their full DPS, while the pet sub heals causes all healers interested in their slot to fall VASTLY short. Anyway for better or worse this triggers some rage when a scholar says hey... like what they have, can I get a buff in that direction? So you can look and get huggles... but you probably should walk some Noct Astro's shoes to understand why their skills are tuned the way they are. Or ask why they are ;-) That would have worked to if you asked why there was such a deficit between the two skills in mana cost (and instant cast).

[Einheri]

The majority of people who answered didnt give me an opinion, they gave me a, "you forgot to take this into account" response. I have no problem with someone saying "I disagree, because of this and that", some people even did that. I wasn't taking the other utility into account because I wanted the skills to be taken at face value, based on all of the factors in that one skill alone.

You asked people if they shared your feeling that a spell should receive a minor buff because compared in a vacuum you feel them to be imbalanced. When people brought up the fairy and other aspects of class balance you dismissed them as not being valid in the comparison you wanted to make to prove your point. You sir should host a cable news show.

[Katlyna]

You asked people if they shared your feeling that a spell should receive a minor buff because compared in a vacuum you feel them to be imbalanced. When people brought up the fairy and other aspects of class balance you dismissed them as not being valid in the comparison you wanted to make to prove your point. You sir should host a cable news show.

This made me laugh ;-)

[Eloah]

If you asked why there was such a deficit between the two skills in mana cost (and instant cast).

Is this not what I asked, in so many word. Again the first person to answer my question answered exactly this.

But aside from that question, I do agree with your statement. Also I do walk in Noct Astro shoes, its my prefered sect, another reason why I posed the question.

You asked people if they shared your feeling that a spell should receive a minor buff because compared in a vacuum you feel them to be imbalanced. When people brought up the fairy and other aspects of class balance you dismissed them as not being valid in the comparison you wanted to make to prove your point. You sir should host a cable news show.

Sure I'll host a show if you can show me the forest amongst the tree, inverted in this case, but still. And no I didn't dismiss those individuals, because those individuals didn't share an opinion, they just said you forgot this. Taking the entire kit into account is fine, several responders here did it while sharing their opinion, but a majority did not.

Now please, I'll admit to accidentally inducing some rage, but lets let this topic die instead of continuing a flame war.

[RiceisNice]

Is this not what I asked, in so many word. Again the first person to answer my question answered exactly this.

Does anyone else feel Adlo should maybe be altered slightly to fix this? Not saying anything drastic, maybe something as simple as a slightly lower MP cost, or adjusting the % of when adlo will crit. Not saying the skills are broken just that the discrepancy just seems a little odd to me.

As people have said, if oyu want to take them in a vaccum (where it really doesn't make sense to make a skill comparison at this point, it's honestly a moot point), then yes, aldo would need some adjustments. But that's not the case in point, and honestly it just feels like you want to set up a one-sided discussion where people would agree with you (which shouldn't be the case, otherwise it defeats the point of a discussion) and otherwise shoot down anyone that goes beyond your border.