Please Add no bonus option for PF

[Laerune]

So lets say you find a way a to exclude bonus players from the PF, this still doesnt guarantee that the other players know what they are doing or that they are able to clear the run. A bad player that was carried once can easily lie to you and be bad. What happens then? How will you filter those players?

Removing bonus players is possible, but it wont fix the issue, at it best you will remove total clueless players from the group (which can be verified by asking them questions about the fight), at it worst you are putting a wall before newcomers who have skill and want to learn and improve these newcomers often do their best to prepare by reading guides.

[Singularity]

No, it won't guarantee anything, but it will improve the likelihood of a successful group. We aren't asking for a 100% perfect, bulletproof solution to making effective farm groups out of random people, but an option like this would prevent a lot of hassle and animosity since the bonus person would probably be kicked (and possibly blacklisted) anyway.

A bad player that was carried once can easily lie to you and be bad. What happens then? How will you filter those players?

Kick and/or blacklist - same way they get filtered now. But such players are a minority among those that have the clear. If it gets to the point that a substantial proportion of players that have cleared a fight don't know how to do it, then this game will be beyond hope.

at it worst you are putting a wall before newcomers who have skill and want to learn and improve these newcomers often do their best to prepare by reading guides.

The place to do that is not in a farm group. If someone is in that place where they've learned the fight and they're sure they can clear it but they just need to find those seven others that won't screw up, then they can ask the party leader to be allowed to join. But again, such players are a minority among those that don't have the clear.

[Aquaslash]

Removing bonus players is possible, but it wont fix the issue, at it best you will remove total clueless players from the group (which can be verified by asking them questions about the fight), at it worst you are putting a wall before newcomers who have skill and want to learn and improve these newcomers often do their best to prepare by reading guides.

They can make their own clear parties any day of the week. Ther's nothing at all stopping them.

I recall a Titan EX farm I did once. A DRG snuck in who had no clear, died to every landslide and not only got Gulfaxi on their clear, but did the same crap and got nightmare on the very next clear. Then they left afterwards. Is that fair? Cause when you're against options like this, this is the EXACT behavior you're enabling.

That was months ago too and I STILL don't have Nightmare

[Yasuhiro]

Balmung is full of elitists(baddies) ***holes that deserve to die already.

People actually do content in Balmung? I thought everyone just goes to Ul'dah to ERP

[ruskie]

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While I like your attitude and I have gotten a clear or two in a farm run. I did put in the effort on my own to learn the fight and practice it.
Why if a party leader ever asks - hey there's someone with so and so % asking to join I'll always be for it. Often enough that person will be doing a lot better than most of the people on farm and do less mistakes in the end.

Thordan especially was fun in this... we've had farms and then we had "farms" where you wiped for an hour for one clear - with people that 5 minutes before executed everything flawlessly...

[Alistaire]

So lets say you find a way a to exclude bonus players from the PF, this still doesnt guarantee that the other players know what they are doing or that they are able to clear the run. A bad player that was carried once can easily lie to you and be bad. What happens then? How will you filter those players?

Removing bonus players is possible, but it wont fix the issue, at it best you will remove total clueless players from the group (which can be verified by asking them questions about the fight), at it worst you are putting a wall before newcomers who have skill and want to learn and improve these newcomers often do their best to prepare by reading guides.

Can we just stop posting this logic in any thread about any topic, please?

Just because a suggestion doesn't stop all bad cases of a thing from happening doesn't mean it wouldn't be an improvement.

If something helps a bit, it helps. It doesn't have to solve every problem ever to be worth it.

[ScarletDawn]

Here is a question what if someone has the achievement but they haven't cleared the fight on say their 2nd class which is equally geared to their main..they flag up as a bonus but they have a clear..how do determine if they should be in your farm group? You cant.

I reckon there should be a training icon or practice icon rather then a ban all non clear people.

[Jim_Berry]

I always ask if I could join a group if I KNOW I'm clear-ready and they are farming. Sadly, the leader don't always communicate it to the group, so when we enter, everyone is disturbed when the bonus pops up. In one group, the ones who had the clear and complaining were the ones messing up the most.

[Singularity]

Here is a question what if someone has the achievement but they haven't cleared the fight on say their 2nd class which is equally geared to their main..they flag up as a bonus but they have a clear..how do determine if they should be in your farm group? You cant.

Such a person should explain this situation to the party leader and ask to join.

I know someone who did exactly this back during 2nd coil progression with a group looking for a tank for T6 and ended up in two statics at once.

*EDIT: I assume you meant an alt character of course

[StouterTaru]

Here is a question what if someone has the achievement but they haven't cleared the fight on say their 2nd class which is equally geared to their main..they flag up as a bonus but they have a clear

First time bonus is per person, not per class. Guildhests are the only exception, and nobody farms those.