Mentoring: perhaps we're better off without it

[mirta000]

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how can a person that does one heal per 20 seconds teach anyone anything good? I'm not sour that I can't participate, I'm sour that restrictions are not stricter therefore people like this are falling trough the gaps.

[Dgsoil]

how can a person that does one heal per 20 seconds teach anyone anything good? I'm not sour that I can't participate, I'm sour that restrictions are not stricter therefore people like this are falling trough the gaps.

Because like I said, they will more than likely be answering how to unlock chocobos, how to join grand companies, how to get off of Limsa/Vlybrand because this island sucks (joking). They more than likely won't be in this persons life long enough to actually influence the way they play their class. I'm not saying bad people won't teach bad habits, but there is no reason to be upset about this. But yes I do wish the requirements were stricter, and honestly I think 40 hours of gameplay is pretty short and should probably be doubled so that you can get more worth out of the mentor system as a new player. But again, you can still take a new player under your wing and teach them yourself if you see them doing things wrong, just try your best to be polite and hope they are open to suggestions.

[Jetstream_Fox]

You're right and you're wrong

You're right that the system is supposed to be helping understand the basics, I've preached that all day and night. The basics cover everything from customizing the system, how to handle combat with 3 other players, map layout and how to navigate through towns, open up teleports and a myriad of other things. These are things that can be forgotten or not addressed because a player didn't take the time to fully look through certain menus or read their basic tool kit. But that's where the huge glaring hole in the wall is at. Any player can get to level 60 on all 3 classes and not know the basics because they themselves didn't exactly learn them. That's why myself and others are saying this won't work because this system is built on tyne fallacy that level 60 with 1000 instances ran and 300 commendations doesn't mean they are honestly knowledgeable of everything in the game.

[Dgsoil]

You're right that the system is supposed to be helping understand the basics, I've preached that all day and night. The basics cover everything from customizing the system, how to handle combat with 3 other players, map layout and how to navigate through towns, open up teleports and a myriad of other things. These are things that can be forgotten or not addressed because a player didn't take the time to fully look through certain menus or read their basic tool kit. But that's where the huge glaring hole in the wall is at. Any player can get to level 60 on all 3 classes and not know the basics because they themselves didn't exactly learn them. That's why myself and others are saying this won't work because this system is built on tyne fallacy that level 60 with 1000 instances ran and 300 commendations doesn't mean they are honestly knowledgeable of everything in the game.

But you are missing the point though. I'm not saying bad people won't give bad advice, on the contrary I see that daily. What I am saying is that there is no reason to blow this out of proportion as many posters on this topic have been. You worry about bad players teaching bad habits, why don't you start a linkshell and run content/teach basics and enforce the good habits instead? Why is it so important that you don't meet requirements for this system exactly? Because lets face it, THAT is what most of the complaints about mentor system are on these forums right now. That certain players don't meet the requirements. (which are in fact too easy to reach, especially with the way people farmed commendations just to get glamour rewards)

There is no good way to handle it, one way would dictate people need to take a test, but it would be less than two hours after the content was released before all variants of the questions had answers posted on a list somewhere on the internet, then inexperienced/bad players would still be part of the system. This way people have to show they actually have played the game enough to achieve three requirements, but again it doesn't gate bad players from it. They could gate it behind top tier raids, but then the population ratio for mentors/students would be so skewed, and the top tier raiders aren't exactly known to be 'kind' to those they criticize. What do YOU think these requirements to be in this system should be?

TL;DR If you are a kind, helpful person you will help others with/without a mentor title. And there is no feasible way to make this system work that won't have a flaw. But it isn't about the system or rewards, it's about HELPING people.

[Jetstream_Fox]

You make good points

But the reason why I'm angry about the system is because of it being so flawed. While yes I can linkshell it up on my own and help people, I do that alot as is since my server is very much every player for themselves it seems which isnt good to start with. But now I run the risk of being "unknowing" because of a fault system that claims I'm not good enough at the time being to help new players because I didn't get my SCH to 60 and left it at 50. It's a system that can't be won and shouldn't have been implemented in this way. We all have seen players in the Duty Finder or even Party Finder that leave us scratching our heads as too how they have even leveled without knowing certain aspects of their class or in some cases being negligent with how they play. For that player to be negligent and have the option to mentor a new player is an alarm for me, granted I could get my SCH to 60 you're right, but that doesn't make my knowledge any less helpful. It's as if SE is looking down on people who have gotten a 60 in the trinity and placing them higher. Teachings shouldn't be measured in such trivial things such as levels, commendations and instances, but overall player success and helpfulness like you stated.

[Dgsoil]

But the reason why I'm angry about the system is because of it being so flawed. While yes I can linkshell it up on my own and help people, I do that alot as is since my server is very much every player for themselves it seems. But now I run the risk of being "unknowing" because of a fault system that claims I'm not good enough at the time being to help new players because I didn't get my SCH to 60 and left it at 50. It's a system that can't be won and shouldn't have been implemented in this way. We all have seen players in the Duty Finder or even Party Finder that leave us scratching our heads as too how they have even leveled without knowing certain aspects of their class or in some cases being negligent with how they play.

I do understand your frustration, I myself don't qualify for this system because I haven't gotten a tank to 60. But nothing stops you from doing so in the future, it's not something you can't meet the requirements for later. Take it slow, maybe level it up via the HW beast tribe quests since they level sync to your specific level, and you can have that scholar to 60 quicker than you might think.

[Jetstream_Fox]

I do understand your frustration, I myself don't qualify for this system because I haven't gotten a tank to 60. But nothing stops you from doing so in the future, it's not something you can't meet the requirements for later. Take it slow, maybe level it up via the HW beast tribe quests since they level sync to your specific level, and you can have that scholar to 60 quicker than you might think.

I can get to 60 in a day on my SCH believe me it's no challenge. It's the principal that this content is giving people the idea that you need to be a 60 in disciple of war and magic to have even the basic understandings of the game. Which has been agreed on is completely false .