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    Quote Originally Posted by Alahra View Post
    Of course, in one sense, that's true—that's essentially the structure the developers have in place. But that doesn't mean people can't find enjoyment in the game without following the structure to its natural endpoint.

    The question wasn't about how the game is structured but more about whether there is enough content if you don't raid, and given the majority of players that don't, I'd say the answer is essentially yes to that specific question. Plenty of players are happy to complete their max-level gearsets using only Tomestone gear and never touch raiding, and greater numbers of players still never complete a max-level gearset at all, and they continue to pay for and play the game.
    Indeed, i guess I am struggling with the question from the OP. Is it a viable game? Yes, even Tetris is a 'viable' game. However, is it one of the better MMO's without raiding? I'd say no. FFXIV reaches the best balance of everything, but ultimately fails in a lot of ways compared to other MMO's on the market. The thing is, FFXIV's core is the best, whereas in the other games the negatives are often deal breakers (for me). If FFXIV didn't have raiding, I'd probably place FFXIV 5th or so on my list of MMO's to play -> 1. WoW, 2. Guild Wars 2, 3. Wildstar, 4. Blade and Soul, 5. FFXIV - whereas currently, FFXIV sits in #1 for me. This is likely to change with Legion, as I have high hopes for it and with every patch the dev team shoves me further away in FFXIV (though, time will tell).

    All of that said, if you don't like raiding, Guild Wars 2 is a far better game. I listed this already, but have expanded my list and wanted to bring it back as I feel it is important to answering the question. Is FFXIV viable without raiding? On it's own yes. In the context of other MMO's on the market? No, GW2 is significantly better and has no sub fee.

    GW2 has better:
    leveling experience
    combat
    pvp
    gathering
    crafting
    market
    open world events
    open world bosses
    cash shop
    non-combat content (jumping puzzles)
    seasonal events
    job balance
    glamour system
    wardrobe system
    wallet
    inventory
    armor skins
    daily activities
    maps
    zones

    FFXIV has better:
    Instanced PvE content
    Trinity - wins
    Story

    But that's entirely subjective. I'm not really traditionally a raider (I do raid casually in FFXIV but it's the first game where I've done so and when I'm not raiding I still get plenty of enjoyment out of the game), but I can't stand GW2. I don't like the art style, the character animations, the combat, the ability system, or the PvP—hell, I don't even like the game's movement.
    Entirely fair. It is subjective.

    I have a hard time seeing how one could say the combat is better in FFXIV though. GW2 is faster, allows you to customize more, and is more action based.
    I don't like the PvP either, but I don't like PvP in any game (even CoD), so my opinion on that is based more on consensus that I've seen via discussions.
    Character animations are definitely nicer in FFXIV, you are right there - walking in GW2 feels funny.

    However, how do you feel about say;
    Super Adventure Box vs Little Ladies Day
    Jumping Puzzles vs Sightseeing Log
    Depositing gathered materials in to a crafting bank from anywhere vs running out of inventory constantly
    Having a crafting bank vs paying for multiple retainers
    Dynamic events vs FATEs
    Having a saved wardrobe vs buying glamour prisms and hogging inventory space
    Zones that are expansive and allow you to go everywhere vs narrow zones and invisible walls galore
    Maps that are colourful and clear vs yellow old-style maps
    A cash shop you can use in-game gold to buy nice glamours vs a cash shop that requires real money and won't allow refunds for mistaken purchases
    Open world bosses that are epic and require coordination vs Hunts that die in 12 seconds
    A leveling experience that lets you experience multiple paths of a story vs a leveling experience of grinding FATEs

    I just have a very hard time seeing how one could say FFXIV is better in any of the ways above. However, the ones below I can see how one could argue FFXIV is better - they just really aren't for me.
    Crafting
    Gathering
    Daily Activities

    Finally, in terms of subjectivity - yes, it is. However, it's also more agreed upon. MMORPG.com has Guild Wars 2 be the #1 game fairly consistently
    Guild Wars 2 hits for the year = 1.6 million
    FFXIV = 0.9 million

    Gamerankings.com average review scores:
    Guild Wars 2 average reviews = 90.02%
    FFXIV = 86.08%
    that said, Heavensward beats out Heart of the Thorns (never played GW2 expansion)
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    Last edited by Kaurie; 02-19-2016 at 01:30 AM.