Why is so hard for newbies to learn how to raid?

[RiceisNice]

And this here is why the JP servers have utterly annihilated NA and EU servers, so much in fact, every NA server combined just barely edges out Chocobo's Savage clears. What you've essentially said is, "Oh, you haven't played for as long as me? Well, sucks to be you. Just skip Gordias now because fuck you."

I'm not saying you're wrong in the general population will have this mentality, but then I hope you're also not among the people complaining how poor the raid scene has been this past eight months.

It's typically both ways. There's more incidents than I'd like to admit in both DF and PF where a party member or two blatantly disregard descriptions (such as joining farm parties when you're incapable of doing so) or refuse to step up for set expectations (whether it be commitment to a learning party, or individual performance).

[Bourne_Endeavor]

It's typically both ways. There's more incidents than I'd like to admit in both DF and PF where a party member or two blatantly disregard descriptions (such as joining farm parties when you're incapable of doing so) or refuse to step up for set expectations (whether it be commitment to a learning party, or individual performance).

Oh, I am certainly not denying that. People who refuse to accept criticism or attempt to sneak into groups they are in no way properly suited for, deserve to be reprimanded in the same manner. My point was merely to reference the reason why JP servers overwhelmingly dominate Savage clears because they are willing to help newer players. I have little doubt they have people who don't respect mechanics or refuse to adapt their "player style," but those people are likely kicked out because of it. You can't help everyone nor do I think every raider should jump into learning parties. It's just the general mindset in the particular post I quoted: "You weren't playing when this came out? Oh well, you won't get to do it now" that irked me.

[WolfKid]

Random dude coming through,
The reason i dont try to raid savage, learn it(or even pug it) because i feel like it going to drive me insane over how badly i mess up mechanics. I consider myself to be a stupid person and not the greatest when it comes to hardest content in games. When Alexander savage came out, i recalled there was also a savage for Second Coil. (Turn 9 drove me insane) Now theres an even harder version? I avoided it like the plague. Im doing the same thing with Alexander. I would like to try it, since ive gotten better at tanking with DRK a bit, but i feel like ill just constantly hold my party back.

[Chasely]

Random dude coming through,
The reason i dont try to raid savage, learn it(or even pug it) because i feel like it going to drive me insane over how badly i mess up mechanics. I consider myself to be a stupid person and not the greatest when it comes to hardest content in games. When Alexander savage came out, i recalled there was also a savage for Second Coil. (Turn 9 drove me insane) Now theres an even harder version? I avoided it like the plague. Im doing the same thing with Alexander. I would like to try it, since ive gotten better at tanking with DRK a bit, but i feel like ill just constantly hold my party back.

Please, don't think that way. New content like this is difficult for everyone. Even the hardest of hardcore raiders bang their heads against the wall until everything finally clicks. You should never let fear and doubt keep you from doing the things you enjoy. And if you don't enjoy it, that's okay, too.

With raiding especially it's important to find a group in which you click. When you're with people who you enjoy - and who enjoy being with you - you'll never be a burden.

[Noshpan]

Random dude coming through,
The reason i dont try to raid savage, learn it(or even pug it) because i feel like it going to drive me insane over how badly i mess up mechanics. I consider myself to be a stupid person and not the greatest when it comes to hardest content in games. When Alexander savage came out, i recalled there was also a savage for Second Coil. (Turn 9 drove me insane) Now theres an even harder version? I avoided it like the plague. Im doing the same thing with Alexander. I would like to try it, since ive gotten better at tanking with DRK a bit, but i feel like ill just constantly hold my party back.

I feel the same way you do. I'm also a bit of a perfectionist with zero tolerance for the douchebaggery of others. So I don't even bother.

[whiskeybravo]

Could just save yourself the headache and not worry about Gordias savage lol

But really, as most have said just start your own pf. There's prolly a dozen people waiting for a learning party to pop up but until someone puts it in pf you'd never know.

And this:

When Midas actually gets released, we'll most likely see a flurry of new statics forming. Many of them will be people just like you that lack Alexander Savage experience, largely because of how steep the learning curve on Alex actually was. A lot of people are on break from the game right now (or mostly inactive, playing other games). Just be patient and network!

I was even recruiting for a bit, didn't particularly care if people had gordias savage clears or not since it's new content. I'm sure pushing for a3s and a4s helped some people get a bit better, but it's going to be all new fights and new things to learn, so we basically starting at zero.

[Yurimi]

I recently built a static consisting of only me and the other person I started it with having A3S clear experience. Every other member I recruited had at best A1S clear experience while 3 people were worried about joining when they had either not entered or not even seen first jump. I took them regardless because I stated I was not expecting perfection or even experience just a good attitude. My static filled in a day though there were some issues so it really took about 4 days to end up with who we have now.

I dont think people have trouble learning the mechanics, I was patient with my group and we are clearing content bit by bit (we probably wont get through it before the patch but I didnt expect to). I think the problem is that new people join groups and there is expectations on both sides that both are unable to meet in the middle. I made it clear when recruiting I would like them to at least read up a bit on the fight to get a general idea of mechanics and I would help them learn them more thoroughly and practice. It started off like you would expect, confusion and a bit of frustration but bit by bit they learned and that was because both sides met in the middle.

Most new people go in completely blind with a group that isnt willing to be patient with them and as such it leads to a lot of frustration on both sides which isnt healthy for the community. While it may seem over said, it is never a bad idea to start your own group. I am sure there is a lot of people out there like you who just need to get in there and learn it and would find it far more enjoyable.

[Minorex]

Honestly, as someone who used to do raiding in a static back when T1-T5 were the only raid available, I quite enjoyed raiding. Strangely enough I cared more about the people I played with and our learning experience together over the actual raid content.

I felt much the same way as I'm sure several people have already pointed out: I wanted to get back into the raiding scene, but the barrier for entry into this scene was a little too high.
My solution was to pick a few people I knew personally and asked if they were interested in raiding. They expressed interest for the most part, but didn't have much experience themselves. I ended up forming a voice chat channel, making a linkshell, and recruiting for a group of people specifically catering to those people who are interested in raiding, but who have not yet done it.

It is my firm belief that anyone is capable of raiding and the rigors associated with raiding as long as they commit themselves to learning. I ended up getting a full group of people ready to raid, and gave us a few weeks to prepare as some of them weren't quite ready for raiding. After this initial waiting period, our first run of A1S went rather well. We didn't succeed, but we got a good chunk of it done. We got past Faust and just barely past the first jump in the fight against the oppressor before needing to stop.

If you find that many people do not accept you in their raid groups, perhaps it wouldn't be such a bad idea to go out and form a group of fellow learners of your own. With enough practice and experience it's just a matter of learning how to play your role in the context of your group's experience and how to best help everyone succeed. Maybe your raid group will develop a certain process for having a monk use mantra at a certain point where you all agree to group up and whatnot. The nice part about statics is that you are able to develop your own strategies on how to tackle these raids, and everyone is able to work on the same page to deliver a level of performance that a PUG group may not be able to.

[HakaseNyan]

Sorry, can't hire you without an education. Oh, you have an education? Sorry, can't hire you without experience.

Abandon all delusions of control.

[Dgsoil]

Sorry, can't hire you without an education. Oh, you have an education? Sorry, can't hire you without experience.

Abandon all delusions of control.

My current rl situation in a nutshell :c