Fang and Claw and Wheeling Thrust need some fixing.

[Mibhas]

No counting that losing 50 potency on a class that has 21% extra damage +10% daamage 10% blunt damage reduction increases that 50 value quite high

50 * 1.21 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 73.205

190 * 1.15 * 1.1 = 240.35

[Bhearil]

yeah, can we stop with the bitter sarcastic butthurt?

or the mediocre trolling

Im not the one moaning for having to move for a frigging ogc atack maybe training wheels are also needed xD

Thats called "Deal with it" its is not a big deal

[SpiritMuse]

Im not the one moaning for having to move for a frigging ogc atack maybe training wheels are also needed xD

Thats called "Deal with it" its is not a big deal

That's no excuse to be rude.

[Tilgung]

Im not the one moaning for having to move for a frigging ogc atack maybe training wheels are also needed xD

It's a GCD, not an oGCD. And it's position is random. And you can't decide to choose another attack in it's place without suffering an even greater damage loss form dropping BotD. There are these things in this game called mechanics, which in some situations force* you to be somewhere undesirable.

*Short of pissing off your healers, that is.

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

I don't wanna add to the "such equality ((" side but bosses that suddenly turn around are a thing you know. Also, Ravana Ex.

That also can happen during the old strict routine without having the RNG element though. So although it's a valid point most of the time, it isn't valid for this skill discussion sadly.

[QCrimson]

That also can happen during the old strict routine without having the RNG element though.

Yes, but the potency loss wouldn't be as bad. That's what this discussion is about, not the RNG element.

Personnally I don't mind, that's what I liked about DRG in the first place, before HT/ID got buffed. It makes playing the job intense again, kinda.

[Drakanous]

I don't think giving players something to react to is necessarily a bad thing. I'm not all for it since I do like to plan ahead which this prevents (you need to react on the spot instead), but it's not objectively a bad thing. What really bothers me is that they're the exact same ability. No diversity, no creativity, just [nearly] the exact same thing with different positionals. But hey, at least they both look cool

[PheonixCain]

i mean, Drg's rotation is simple enough, without that i don't see anymore actual challenge to this job.

but one thing really need to fix that is there is a small delay before using either of them, i don't know if anyone has noticed that

[Ragology]

I can't hear the drg complains anymore. I'm happy it's no more "stay braindead behind and replay your rotation"... Now you have to do something for your high dps, deal with it.

I recall Dragoon having positionals earlier in 2.x

I forget how they functioned but I think you wouldn't get the heavy thrust buff unless you attacked the flank. Also chaos thrust wouldn't leave a dot unless it was a rear attack. And impulse drive ( or was it disembowel?) had to be from behind in order to work. It was clunky as hell while monks got to keep chugging along with their rotation, the only loss being lowered potency ( as opposed to a Dragoons rotation falling flat and being unable to continue their combo.)

[whiskeybravo]

I recall Dragoon having positionals earlier in 2.x

I forget how they functioned but I think you wouldn't get the heavy thrust buff unless you attacked the flank. Also chaos thrust wouldn't leave a dot unless it was a rear attack. And impulse drive ( or was it disembowel?) had to be from behind in order to work. It was clunky as hell while monks got to keep chugging along with their rotation, the only loss being lowered potency ( as opposed to a Dragoons rotation falling flat and being unable to continue their combo.)

You didnt get the buff from heavy thrust unless it was from flank and impulse drive wouldnt proc disembowel unless it was from behind. When they made those changes they added rear potency bonus to chaos thrust.

IIRC