So, I see alot of ''negative'' threads on this forum.

[Atoli]

So, here I am, actually kind of impressed someone can approach it without getting angry or trying to be funny.

I have to say, while I do not agree with many of the points the OP made (I think I made my stance on the mentioned topics clear already ), I'm really amazed and positively surprised by how calm he approaches the discussion and how you can actually argue with him, or how he tries to understand other people's viewpoint. It's rare on the internet, even more rare in game forums, and I really apprechiate it ^-^

[Seraphix2407]

I have to say, while I do not agree with many of the points the OP made (I think I made my stance on the mentioned topics clear already ), I'm really amazed and positively surprised by how calm he approaches the discussion and how you can actually argue with him, or how he tries to understand other people's viewpoint. It's rare on the internet, even more rare in game forums, and I really apprechiate it ^-^

Hah! Stop making me blush XD.
I'm here to see other people's view point. What I'm saying is an opinion, and people have different ones. Some agrees with me some doesn't which is completely fine, because if everyone was going to agree with me, it wouldn't be exciting and too blend to even start a conversion, no? I've seen your opinions, same with other's and there's is alot of truth in them, yes I didn't agree completely to everything that has been said, but most of it yes. Yes people do content to have fun and not for the gear, that's why you also see people do raids and finish it then vanish until new raids comes, a lot of those people are my friends. Problem is, I'd love them to stick around for some more, I was only purely sticking out for a while to help my fc, because I'm the owner/leader of one, among with one of the biggest hunt LS's and social LS's on the server. I want people to stick around, do thing's that they feel is worthwhile, some doesn't feel excactly everything is worthwhile the grind, because it won't be lasting too long, which is one of my biggest opinions on how the game currently is, some people, like in this thread mentioned they don't give a damn and just do it for fun, which is great! You do stuff for fun and forget about the reward. Then my opinion is that you play an MMO, which you put time and yes sometimes your own soul into! And you work so hard for get gear, vanity and weapons and then you find out for all this time you grinded, it wasn't lasting long as you wanted to. I don't really mind people getting gears or ''rare'' items after I get mine, because crafting is a good example, I think. Those who start early gets shitload of money, while the late crafter people will mostlikely not get as much. That's why I think SE invented the specalist craft, so rich people couldn't craft everything so easy, while now they are currently blocked out a bit, compare to pre HW. Myself made alot of money during the beginning of HW, gear that cost 50-100k now, used to be sold for 2-3 million gil! So the fact people eventually get at that stage I used to be at is not an issue. However a bit more exlusivity in terms of vanity or some gear would been awesome! So not everyone looks the same, or it's becoming too blend imo, is what I think. The thavarian bustier was a good example, many wanted it because it looks good, a few people only had it and many was envy and always said; wow that looks sooo good, wish I had one, time to farm maps then! Which I did and many others did as well. I think it's a bit healty that people can work for somethign and say this is awesome, not alot of people achived this, this looks great. I wish I could say this about savage gear, but good god it's ugly, and we all know it XD.

Edit: UGh it logged me out for some stupid reason? Is there a stupid timer on how long you can be logged in? XD

That santa thing is really cool! I'm someone that knows the kind of dedication involved to acquire that kind of money (though, I haven't ever worked at it for that kind of time to do anything like that). Wow...

Yes a lot of time and money. Did this for 3-4 days because it was fun and best part a lot of people got what they wanted, vanity,weapons, help in thordan, houses etc. Just because I somewhat disagree how the game is updating, in therms of content, weekly cap etc is, doesn't mean I will avoid and ignore people in it, the joy of giving is better than taking . I think most people keep forgetting the most thing and what Yoshida said, if you don't have fun, you are doing it wrong. For me, I had nothing to do, so I unsubbed since 3 weeks ago almost. Since I had no fun, I was apperently doing it wrong, so I left instead for a while . However people can have fun on the things I didn't have fun at the end, which I can clearly see, because I once used to have fun doing it as well.