Tanks using their enmity combo while being OT

[Jim_Berry]

Could you stop this? I see a lot of tanks doing this, mostly WARs. You have no need to be doing that while you're off tanking. The only exception are PLD since they are reducing physical damage a boss does, but they shouldn't be spamming it. Tanks wonder why they're ripping hate off a MT, that's cause you're doing it on purpose.

As a PLD, I do it to reduce the enemy's STR, but I wait until like 30 seconds or so AFTER MT pulled and established aggro. Sometimes, it's not my fault if the MT decides to drop his tank stance.

And I don't spam it. I comes third for every combo, with Royal Authority and Goring Blade being first sets. The ticks for Halone is low at that point, so it could appear as if I'm spamming.

This is usually one reason why I have more MT than OT experience.

[KinSlayer009]

Don't post anything ever again.

[Fyce]

That really applies to War/pally combo though. Not home so can't look up drk at the moment. It also assumes that the MT is being optimal. But really they should have a decent hat lead.with their opener.

DRK is worse. You lose 130 potency if you do a Power Slash instead of a DA'ed Soul Eater.
PLD "only" lose 80 if they do a RoH instead of a RA.

In comparison, a WAR going SE > SP instead of SE > BB will only lose 40. (SE > SE only lose 20.)

The difference is so huge that I'm not sure buffs and tank stances would even change that.

So, in short terms, the goal is to allow the MT (DRK or PLD) to do as much DPS rotations as possible during the entire fight. If the WAR OT reduce that number of DPS rotations from the MT because of its BB combo, then the overall raid DPS will be lower.
Same goes for forcing the MT to stay in Tank stance longer to compensate the high enmity of BB.

[WolfKid]

Don't post anything ever again.

I dont get it...

[WolfKid]

Quit whining, put on your big boy pants, and learn how to DRK properly. It's PLDs that're losing hate to WARs, not you.

So.... are you ripping on me? Or PLD? Be more clear please.

[ZacEvans]

So.... are you ripping on me? Or PLD? Be more clear please.

You. PLDs losing hate is an unfortunate and unforeseen draw-back of having attack power help enmity generation so heavily. But a DRK losing hate to a WAR? That's on you. Yoshida himself has even admitted that WAR and DRK are rounds about even in attack power if Warrior didn't have Storm's Eye. But this is a raid scenario, which means you directly benefit from it, and even if the WAR isn't using Storm's Eye, there's a hefty chance there's a NIN using Dancing Edge-which further benefits you.

Also, Shadewalker and Smoke Screen are things that exist.

[WolfKid]

snip.

I have no problem with holding hate against a WAR as DRK or even PLD. I said this on the 2nd page.

[vigioX-Sun]

I play war myself an all I do is watch my enmity vs MT an from there I can decide wich combo to use,now I stay close to steal hate to let them know they can't slow down on me.
An OT war vs Pld should always watch his enmity, unless is a very good PLD that know what he is doing.

[Fyce]

Then the hell're you bitching about? It's been stated, if they're taking hate, there's a guaranteed chance they should be MT instead of whoever is MTing.

You don't understand what is being said here. It's not about "hurr durr if u lose hate ur bad! git gud scrub" it's about maximising the number of DPS combos the MT can do while not being threaten by Butcher's Block enmity.
If the MT has to trade a DPS combo for an enmity one because of the OT's BB, then the loss from the will be greater than the gain.

In an ideal situation, the OT shouldn't be higher -or barely- in enmity than the first DPS (or heal) of the aggro list. This would allow the MT to minimize the duration of his tank stance while maximizing the number of DPS combos he can do.

Also, centered text is obnoxious to read.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Could you stop this? I see a lot of tanks doing this, mostly WARs. You have no need to be doing that while you're off tanking. The only exception are PLD since they are reducing physical damage a boss does, but they shouldn't be spamming it. Tanks wonder why they're ripping hate off a MT, that's cause you're doing it on purpose.

A bad war puts up Storm's Path, it lowers dps by a significant margin. A good war OT uses Butcher's block to keep up high DPS.

Storm's Path is always an objective DPS loss.

Be a good tank.

Don't use Path.