Tank Gear's Value for the Future.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I don't remember it being specifically mentioned, but they did talk about there being a lot more adjustments, without giving specifics. I can only hope that yhey do something to make it relevant again.


I wasn't questioning the use of gender, I was objection to the marginally dismissive use of 'girl'. I can only imagine the response if someone started calling other posters 'boy'.

You could easily have used my name instead.

Side question, even though you quite evidently don't like thebgame, why do you play the game and use your free time to post here about it?

Well, I don't consider boy or girl an insult. Less you think so Dude.

[Kosmos992k]

Well, I don't consider boy or girl an insult. Less you think so Dude.

Tell you what, start calling the guys you bump into on the street 'boy' and see how long you retain the opinion that it's perfectly OK. Also, I said it was marginally dismissive, not insulting, interesting you would choose that angle though.

[Kaurie]

Tell you what, start calling the guys you bump into on the street 'boy' and see how long you retain the opinion that it's perfectly OK. Also, I said it was marginally dismissive, not insulting, interesting you would choose that angle though.

I agree with you, his use of 'girl' came off as condescending. I am a male, but as a female character, I receive a lot of these condescending remarks. These remarks are mostly by people who disagree with me, and more often than not don't even read my post fully. The most recent example is the 2nd response to my "Illusion of Choice" thread - "bae" etc. I am not entirely sure why some people choose to treat female players differently than male players, but sexism persists.

That said, it is difficult to use a lot of terms for female players - as many of them have been used in condescending (or suggestive) ways. Even if he were to use woman or lady, it could be received poorly. It's also excusable that he may not know if you are an adult or a child. If I were him, I just would have used "her" or your name as you suggested.

@Nektulos it's difficult to take you seriously and have a respectable discussion when you refer to people as 'girl', 'dude' etc. It comes off rather condescending and absent of respect.

[Kyros]

You already know that the WAR tank DPS is broken when you see a youtube video of 7 WARs and 1 WHM down Thordan EX. That shouldn't be possible in recent patch content.

*EDIT* Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8nSBfGtkd8

This has nothing to do with WAR, nor is it proof of anything other than Thordan being super lenient DPS-wise. I'm sure a group of 6 Healers and 2 tanks could clear it if they are competent enough.

Really, Thordan is a joke DPS-wise. It's a very mechanic-intensive fight, which is where people struggle.

[FallenWings]

People be like, "Let's nerf Fell Cleave because it's the highest potency skill on a tank class! I'm a DPS! You should be stroking my epeen instead!"

Let's put it in context. War's skill potencies are as follows. 150 Heavy Swing, 200 Skull Sunder, 190 Maim, 250 Storm's Path, 270 Storm's Eye, 280 Butcher's Block.

And

ONE

MEASELY

oGCD

Brutal Swing 100.

Fell Cleave makes up for roughly 30% of a WAR's DPS.

In comparison WAR hits like a wet noodle outside of Fell Cleave. I mean if you wanted to nerf it atleast give a good reason other than "ermergerd good wars are doing better dmg then me when i play suboptimally (((". I wouldn't mind trading it for more oGCD attacks and potency boosts across the board on other skills. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don't see anyone complaining about DRK's awesome MT damage. Can I has Scourge?

[SpookyGhost]

I don't see anyone complaining about DRK's awesome MT damage. Can I has Scourge?

Nah, DRK needs a buff if anything. Think about it: Yeah, it has all those advantages, like high OT damage, the highest MT damage, and the highest magic mitigation (which will always exist since 99% of AOEs are magical) but it's contrasted by it's plethora of disadvantages such as... uh... I mean... it's physical mitigation isn't amazing... but tank swaps exist... and they can't design a fight that a DRK isn't able to tank...

Anyway, buff DRK pls, sometimes I press buttons together that don't work in combination at all instead of just spacing them out so they don't overlap with eachother. Using this small amount of brainpower is just expecting too much for DRKs like me.

[PArcher]

I guess I'm misunderstanding something. How is changing dmg modifiers from STR to VIT 'forcing' us to stay in tank stance while MT? Why would it become detrimental to stance dance? Beyond the change in accessories, I don't intend to play any differently from how I am playing now. If anything, with the added pool of HP we should be able to use DPS stance more often.

If SE does it right, being out of tank stance in a real fight means death without lots of cooldowns up.

Example, I died last night in a trap PUG A3S from a random 12K crit auto attack (no debuffs involved, just a freak hit after a swipe before the hand split). Even in Savage, that kind of damage from an auto attack is considered abnormal (I mean, the tank busters in A4S are only about 10-15K damage each).

What happens when 12K AAs are the normal damage, those crits do almost 20K? 40-60K (or more) tank busters coming every minute or so? And your healers are still only healing you for 4-6K per Cure/Physic/Benefic? (OK, ashamed to admit I have no idea how much my healers basic heals heal me for because I watch damage numbers too much. But Heal potency isn't being increased outside of the normal gear progression, as far as we know)

Yes, at higher ilv, after you've gotten some A7S gear (or 3.3), sure, stance dancing will be more common.

But early on...


Unfortunately, SE is likely to not increase the damage as high as its needed to save the casuals. So the best tanks will be stance dancing immediately. But there's going to be a ton of whining from healers and tanks trying to DPS and just watching hp go to 0.

[PArcher]

This has nothing to do with WAR, nor is it proof of anything other than Thordan being super lenient DPS-wise. I'm sure a group of 6 Healers and 2 tanks could clear it if they are competent enough.

Really, Thordan is a joke DPS-wise. It's a very mechanic-intensive fight, which is where people struggle.

I recall 7 healers (can't remember the mix of WHM and SCH) and a tank were able to kill Titan EX when it was still relevant (probably 2.2). Did anyone consider Titan EX to be broken because of that? No (just the lovely PUGs who couldn't even get to Heart Phase).
Titan EX's DPS check (actually, most fights back then) was fairly easy to pass. The mechanics were the challenge.


Same thing with Thordan EX. Mechanic-heavy, DPS-lighter fight.

[Moonleg]

Tell you what, start calling the guys you bump into on the street 'boy' and see how long you retain the opinion that it's perfectly OK. Also, I said it was marginally dismissive, not insulting, interesting you would choose that angle though.

Not to defend Nektulos, but I am curious what catch-all you WOULD use for females. For males it's guy, as you use yourself in this post, but what would you use for females? Girl? Woman? Lady? Madam?

I am not a native English speaker so I may be missing a word, but at least to me the catch-alls would by guys and girls. "I was speaking to a guy" vs. "I was speaking to a girl" is the exact same line and meaning just with different genders to me.

[LadyVal]

Not to defend Nektulos, but I am curious what catch-all you WOULD use for females. For males it's guy, as you use yourself in this post, but what would you use for females? Girl? Woman? Lady? Madam?

I am not a native English speaker so I may be missing a word, but at least to me the catch-alls would by guys and girls. "I was speaking to a guy" vs. "I was speaking to a girl" is the exact same line and meaning just with different genders to me.

Ahhh the beauty of English. Lol. Generally you can refer to females as "girl" if you are also referring to males as "guy" or "boy," the only difference is that contextually, "girl" is also used as an insult to demean a female by implying immaturity more often than "boy" is used to demean males. I don't think that was the case in the post, but, text does not convey tone or intention.