Tank Gear's Value for the Future.

[Kosmos992k]

There are a lot of ways they can go about this, but in the end what we'll get is:

Tank damage stays the same
or
Tank damage is slightly lowered

It will most definitely not be like what the OP is saying lol.

Quite, and the impact will be the exact same for every tank there is. Unless tanks are out there comparing their DPS to real Damage Dealers, they lose/gain nothing in relation to each other, so the effect, regardless of what it is, is a wash.

Honestly, the OP has posted on this topic before and found few listening ears then, and it seems even fewer now. Not surprising really since;
a) he'd had use of whatever STR accessories he has for however long he's had them,
b) he has a decent amount of time to get VIT accessories,
c) those STR accessories will go well on other damage dealing jobs, so it's not like he loses them, and
d) the change to VIT impacts all tanks identically, so unless he's completely addiicted to higher damage numbers or in an insane struggle to out dps real DDs, this will have exactly no practical effect on him what so ever.

Someone tell me if I missed anything here, I don't think I have.

@ OP;
Dude, just stop this nonsense, go get yourself some VIT accessories and deal with it. All the whiny crying in the world isn't going to change things, not that the change to VIT does much except change which accessory set is best for tanks.

I don't understand why a lot of people feel that tanks shouldn't be concerned with the amount of DPS that they are putting out. Tank DPS increases enmity and also helps to make fights end faster which causes for runs to be smoother with less damage taken by all.

Well, since enmity multipliers will be modified as well, any loss of enmity due to lower raw dps will be more than compensated by alterations to the enmity multiplier. I am not as concerned about the DPS a tank can put out because as long as it is sufficient to complete solo portions of the game, it has negligible impact on the game otherwise.

Honestly, every tank has a baseline dps that they will hit regardless due to tanking, if they can boost that by, say 30%, through accessories and stance, they still fall far short of what a real damage dealer is capable of. If that modest increase in tank damage output makes a significant difference to the run time of a regular dungeon, or any content except tight dps checks in a raid, it's really not the tanks fault. Basically you can't tell me that the boost to damage that my PLD could gain by using all STR and Sword Oath while tanking is so awesome that it significantly shortens any fight.

[Remus]

Deal with it and just get VIT why are people arguing about this? For those sticking with STR next patch well you just gimping yourself. Just switch it's not that hard. Clearly most of these people were playing Tank for the wrong reasons and now they are getting angry because their numbers won't be as high anymore. Sad times for you fake tanks :P

[Lan_Mantear]

Basically you can't tell me that the boost to damage that my PLD could gain by using all STR and Sword Oath while tanking is so awesome that it significantly shortens any fight.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, and after getting over the initial shock of needing to get fending accessories after already buying my slaying, I'm happy with just stacking VIT.

However as to your comment above. Go get Fell Cleave on WAR and stack STR. Then, with a straight face, tell me that you can't DPS. You won't be able to 'cause you'll have a huge grin on your face after drinking the coolaid! This is the feeling that people are afraid of loosing, and is most likely why it is being debated. Ultimately, yes we're tanks. But damn! WARs just wanna go wild!

[FallenWings]

A common attitude in this thread that really twists my fannies is the idea that people are fake tanks for grieving over the idea that an aspect of their class is probably going to get nerfed. Dealing damage is apart of being a Tank class(in FFXIV as far as I know) and being a competent player or any sensible person for that matter.

It's like saying that Dragoon's shouldn't have whined about their inferior magical defenses "becuz hur dur DPS clazz onri need 2 focus on damag huehuehue".

However, I don't get the people who believe getting more HP in addition is strictly a bad thing(if anyone is even this unreasonable). I mean, they're surely going to scale the damage of enemies with the preconception of tanks having full VIT going forward right?

I don't want to go back to auto-pilot tanking.

[PArcher]

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Fell Cleave is still going to be fine when off tanking.

I'm expecting Se to be smart, and have damage increased from all enemies to such levels that require tank stance and proper cooldown usage outside of having BiS gear (good luck getting that lol).

If you are a WAR, DRK or PLD, you're a tank. Extra damage is nice to have, but it is not your primary role. If you want to be primarily dpsing, than change jobs.

And before you go off on me, I currently clear a4s in full STR accessories on my WAR. And I have a set of Vit ready for 3.2.

[PArcher]

I don't want to go back to auto-pilot tanking.

Tanking has been on auto pilot for months now. Even in Savage in dps stance. It always is when you're overgearing content.

[Lan_Mantear]

And before you go off on me, I currently clear a4s in full STR accessories on my WAR. And I have a set of Vit ready for 3.2.

You're misinterpreting my post. I am not debating for or against, because frankly it is pointless. Come 3.2, if you're not stacking VIT, you'll be doing all kinds of wrong. I was trying to add levity to this thread by encouraging Kosmos992k to go ahead and level WAR so they can get a perspective on why some people are being uppity.

[FallenWings]

I meant at the progression stage since that is really the only relevant stage. But yeah, I gotta live life on da edge! If its not even a threat to me then I won't get my high from tanking!

IT'S NOT FUN IF YOU'RE PRACTICALLY INVINCIBLE!

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I DUN CARE ABOUT THE CHANGING METAS I DUN WANT TO REGRESS MY PROGRESSION AHHH. DUN WAN DO 3.15 DMG FOR ANUTHER 2 PATCHES. WAAAH.

It wasn't strictly impossible to take a DRG but it did require more effort to make up for bringing one. But yeah I understand your point and the example may or may not be too extreme but the point remains being that a unnecessary nerf to a greatly appreciated aspect of a class hardly even emphasized in other MMOs frankly gave tanking a new breath of fresh air and increased enjoyment in the overall class beyond "hold hate, press cooldowns". If you do zero damage you might as well be a corpse ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

This is all assuming the ratios will be a nerf. Here's hoping! *fingers crossed*

[Eidolon]

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A dragoon, fundamentally, could not do their role (DPS) due to their abysmal magic resistance. Attacks that every other class survived, would kill them. A corpse does 0 DPS. To try and compare this to tanks who will still be able to do damage (Possibly not as much, but will still be able to do damage I'm sure) is an extremely fallacious comparison.

As for your comment of fake tanks - I think a lot of people are fed up with the STR meta from a healer/dps point of view because they're tired of tanks that don't do so within their own personal level of skill. They call these people "Fake tanks" because they're the tanks that do large pulls in deliverance and don't pop any CD's, then yell at the healrs for not keeping them up.

I am sure it is fine to be annoyed at the meta changing, but I think it's a positive change overall. Still, I do not wish to insult other tanks, so I will end it with that.

[Kosmos992k]

However as to your comment above. Go get Fell Cleave on WAR and stack STR. Then, with a straight face, tell me that you can't DPS. You won't be able to 'cause you'll have a huge grin on your face after drinking the coolaid! This is the feeling that people are afraid of loosing, and is most likely why it is being debated. Ultimately, yes we're tanks. But damn! WARs just wanna go wild!

I understand that, I play PLD, my comment about taank DPS included reference to PLD dps.

As for Warrior with Fell Cleave. Let me put it this way, I think Fell Cleave is a good demonstration of a broken and unbalanced skill. Why does a tank have the highest potency attack move (At least I think it is the highest potency physical attack) in the game? It's too powerful and upsets the balance between tanks and Damage dealers more than just about anything else there is. Having one tank being better at DPS than another is fine as long as the other tank has a counterbalancing apsect, whether it be more utility, or being more tanky. It' doesn't take a 500 potency attack to make that happen.

Tell you what though, Fell Cleave could be much improved by giving it a base potency of say, 300 and scaling that potency up inversely with the current HP of the warrior, with a max potency of 500. It would be a great risk/reward balance. You'd need to run your HP low to gain maximum benefit of course, and you'd want healers to maintain you at lower HP levels than are ideal for tanking...but that's another discussion.