Tank Gear's Value for the Future.

[FallenWings]

A common attitude in this thread that really twists my fannies is the idea that people are fake tanks for grieving over the idea that an aspect of their class is probably going to get nerfed. Dealing damage is apart of being a Tank class(in FFXIV as far as I know) and being a competent player or any sensible person for that matter.

It's like saying that Dragoon's shouldn't have whined about their inferior magical defenses "becuz hur dur DPS clazz onri need 2 focus on damag huehuehue".

However, I don't get the people who believe getting more HP in addition is strictly a bad thing(if anyone is even this unreasonable). I mean, they're surely going to scale the damage of enemies with the preconception of tanks having full VIT going forward right?

I don't want to go back to auto-pilot tanking.

[PArcher]

I don't want to go back to auto-pilot tanking.

Tanking has been on auto pilot for months now. Even in Savage in dps stance. It always is when you're overgearing content.

[Eidolon]

Snip

A dragoon, fundamentally, could not do their role (DPS) due to their abysmal magic resistance. Attacks that every other class survived, would kill them. A corpse does 0 DPS. To try and compare this to tanks who will still be able to do damage (Possibly not as much, but will still be able to do damage I'm sure) is an extremely fallacious comparison.

As for your comment of fake tanks - I think a lot of people are fed up with the STR meta from a healer/dps point of view because they're tired of tanks that don't do so within their own personal level of skill. They call these people "Fake tanks" because they're the tanks that do large pulls in deliverance and don't pop any CD's, then yell at the healrs for not keeping them up.

I am sure it is fine to be annoyed at the meta changing, but I think it's a positive change overall. Still, I do not wish to insult other tanks, so I will end it with that.

[Seryl199]

A excelling VIT tank is going to hold hate on mobs, position properly, interrupt attacks when appropriate, mitigate, and stance dance to push damage. A STR tank in the current meta... does exactly the same thing. Tank damage is being recalculated, not neutered, so the tanks that excel before the patch will continue to do so after, regardless of the exact damage values they're able to put out.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

A excelling VIT tank is going to hold hate on mobs, position properly, interrupt attacks when appropriate, mitigate, and stance dance to push damage. A STR tank in the current meta... does exactly the same thing. Tank damage is being recalculated, not neutered, so the tanks that excel before the patch will continue to do so after, regardless of the exact damage values they're able to put out.

Except they
- Take less damage (Monster dies faster, so that reduces damage taken by default.)
- Hold hate better. (More damage, more hate.)

Yes, more damage = less damage taken = because monster dies faster.

Vitality
- Raises damage you take.
- Less Threat/Enmity.

[Ilitsa]

Except they
- Take less damage (Monster dies faster, so that reduces damage taken by default.)
- Hold hate better. (More damage, more hate.)

Yes, more damage = less damage taken = because monster dies faster.

Vitality
- Raises damage you take.
- Less Threat/Enmity.

you're trying to push a future system settings through an outdated system setting (soon to be, at least) and it doesn't work that way.

[Canadane]

Except they
- Take less damage (Monster dies faster, so that reduces damage taken by default.)
- Hold hate better. (More damage, more hate.)

Yes, more damage = less damage taken = because monster dies faster.

Vitality
- Raises damage you take.
- Less Threat/Enmity.

Currently yes.
Apparently after the patch this won't be the case! Ah isn't waiting for it to happen exciting? Oh the anticipation!

[Felis]

Except they
- Take less damage (Monster dies faster, so that reduces damage taken by default.)
- Hold hate better. (More damage, more hate.)

Yes, more damage = less damage taken = because monster dies faster.

Vitality
- Raises damage you take.
- Less Threat/Enmity.

source that post 3.2 Vit tank do less dmg than pre 3.2 Str tank?

All what we know is that a Str tank will do post 3.2 less dmg than pre 3.2.

[Andrea]

source that post 3.2 Vit tank do less dmg than pre 3.2 Str tank?

Wouldn't it be common sense that a tank with more str than another would do more damage?

[Felis]

Wouldn't it be common sense that a tank with more str than another would do more damage?

pre 3.2, yes