VIT will scale with attack power, STR will scale but not as much

[Litegrace]

Ok so I just want to get this right because I just read some of the live letter so I play as a str drk. So are you telling me that I can no longer play a str tank anymore. I'm sorry but I don't agree with these changes at all. I have never had a problem str tanking why should I be punished because ppl cant tank. This is a MMO which means for me to play as I want this vit thing feels like a punishment.

How are you being punished? Now building VIT gives you extra damage, the only thing that should really change is that you can now roll need on the gear you use rather than fighting DPS for it. On top of that, you can feel a bit safer with a larger health pool (in case the healer is falling behind). They are doing it so tanks no longer have to fight between 2 main stats and can just focus on the single stat instead.

[yondaimeflash]

I can understand the disappointment, but bear in mind we're the only job that ever had any choice in the first place. You didn't see Dragoons swapping between Crit and SkS sets based on encounters, or Monks having Vit for one fight or Str for another. Every other class got away with one gear set for ALL content. They don't seem to like choice or personal preference in classes in FF.

We'll still get to tailor our damage out/in via choice of how often we stance swap into DPS at least. And let's face it, our choice of gear wasnt really THAT much of a choice - it was strength all the way unless healers whined. At least with this change we'll see our health pools rising steadily as we get better gear.

I have to say I agree with you I feel like having to put on vit accessories as a punishment I not once as a War and Drk ever had a problem using str accessories. This is a MMO I thought being in an MMO is that I can play as a I want and be different.

[yondaimeflash]

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I'm sorry but that is a punishment this a MMO I should be able to play as I want you said "Now building Vit gives me extra Dmg" do you even know how to tank bro your a tank dmg shouldn't matter that much. your ability to mitigate hate and knowing when to use your cooldowns is how your supposed to tank. Not trying to act like a dps and worry about your dps. Then you may ask why do I use dps accessories that's smiple to be different to show ppl you don't have to follow the main stream of everyone. If a healer falls behind that isn't and SHOULDNT be my fault its theres.

[Ironos]

Then you may ask why do I use dps accessories that's smiple to be different to show ppl you don't have to follow the main stream of everyone.

Not sure if this is a troll or not, but I'll bite.

You do know that STR is the mainstream right now? You're not being different, you're doing what everyone else is doing to be more efficient. Come 3.2 Fending will most likely be the most efficient option. The whole reason people took slaying in the first place was because the HP was unneeded and the damage from slaying ended up reducing overall damage even more. Feel free to keep using Slaying, to "play how you want" and "be different," but don't complain when people chastise you for using the wrong accessories. Would you use INT accessories on a healer just to "be different?"

[Litegrace]

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Pretty sure 90% of tanks are using at least 3 slaying accessories right now, so I fail to see how you are standing out. I also never said a healer being behind is your fault, I'm just stating that it's an extra cushion in case they do fall behind (and a free cushion at that). I feel like you are going to be the person who keeps slaying accessories at the cost of both extra HP and damage.

[yondaimeflash]

Pretty sure 90% of tanks are using at least 3 slaying accessories right now, so I fail to see how you are standing out. I also never said a healer being behind is your fault, I'm just stating that it's an extra cushion in case they do fall behind (and a free cushion at that). I feel like you are going to be the person who keeps slaying accessories at the cost of both extra HP and damage.

yeah I know a lot of ppl are doing what I just said but like I said you would think for a tank you need vit accessories and I use str that's why I say be different and I constantly hear healers complain about tanks dieing because they don't have a lot of hp I fail to see the problem there I use str accessories and never had a problem tanking I can mitigate dmg just fine str tanking its not my fault they fail to do there job.

[Kaisinel]

I'm full STR tank I enjoy the challenge of sacrificing my "tankiness" to output DPS that is MY choice. Honestly annoyed now that I am forced to play VIT because a bunch of crybabies have to complain.

Just nerf the shit out of all tanks at this point too. Make every skill "enhance enmity" and do only 50 potency. Cause to know we needz to hold hate and take hits. Make our CDs make us damn near invincible with out 45000k hp pools everyone thinks is required for fights. Please just break the classes more. GG!!!!

[Syzygian]

I'm full STR tank I enjoy the challenge of sacrificing my "tankiness" to output DPS that is MY choice. Honestly annoyed now that I am forced to play VIT because a bunch of crybabies have to complain.

Just nerf the shit out of all tanks at this point too. Make every skill "enhance enmity" and do only 50 potency. Cause to know we needz to hold hate and take hits. Make our CDs make us damn near invincible with out 45000k hp pools everyone thinks is required for fights. Please just break the classes more. GG!!!!

LOL, they'll never please anyone. I love how you call an entire group of the community "crybabies" in a post where you are essentially bawling.

Here's the thing: The STR vs. VIT debate has been perhaps one of the biggest sources of toxicity in this game's tanking meta if not the entire community. Now all of that venom is going away, yet people such as yourself are still clinging to it. Who cares if its not as EDGEY anymore cause you aren't pulling 10 mobs with 16K HP and walking away? Now it just means you can pull 15 mobs and do the same thing.

It is EXTREMELY likely that after the tickle-me-tank-busters of A1-4S and the STR meta/tank-stance-less-meta of 3.0-3.1, combined with these changes, that bosses in Midas and probably in 3.2 in general are going to hit much harder.

What challenge are you referring to here? The idea that you have to click different gear onto your character sheet? Mad skillz yo. Or perhaps its that you had to rotate cooldowns? Um, all good tanks do that whether they're in STR or VIT.

The mechanics of how to play PLD, WAR, or DRK are the same regardless of whether they are STR or VIT spec. It makes zero difference. All it means is you're dealing more damage because of gear. Saying that it is a challenge to sacrifice VIT for STR is woefully hypocritical when people have established for ages now that that "sacrifice" does not increase the damage you take or make you any harder to heal. You're not sacrificing much of anything at all, in fact you're just giving yourself a freebie. STR tanking is EASIER. Its the same illusion of difficulty that beating FFVIII without leveling up had. Sure you were really low level but the mechanics of the game actually made it WAY easier to play through and, frankly, break, in that way. Tanking out of tank stance is another animal entirely, as that actually DOES increase the damage you take (well, not if you're a WAR, but it does rob you of IB and EQ healing), and also hurts your enmity generation. But going full STR instead of VIT? That is not that huge of an accomplishment, or challenge.

On that note, probably the only way they'll break aggressive tanking playstyles is if they lock you into a stance upon engaging mobs/bosses. Which will absolutely never happen because then tank-swaps would be extremely cumbersome to implement.

This won't fucking break anything by itself. PLD/WAR/DRK will still have the same rotations and relative damage caps barring some other adjustments that have nothing to do with the STR/VIT thing. It won't change the way you play your job, at all in the slightest. MAYBE the numbers on the screen will be a few hundred points smaller (but that isn't even confirmed one way or another). Who the hell cares? You're still playing your job the same so you're still pushing the job's DPS ceiling (right?) just as you always would. Even Xeno and Layla would tell you to gtfo and play DPS if the damage output of tanking is the sole attraction for you.

This change does not change the way we play our jobs. It just makes it so that we all have a uniform relative DPS ceiling and nobody will be able shit on eachother for their choice in gear anymore, and the only indication of skill will be the knowledge and expertise you have at your job, as it fucking should be. Anyone who believes otherwise, IMO, needs to reevaluate their reasons for tanking and/or re-roll.

yeah I know a lot of ppl are doing what I just said but like I said you would think for a tank you need vit accessories and I use str that's why I say be different and I constantly hear healers complain about tanks dieing because they don't have a lot of hp I fail to see the problem there I use str accessories and never had a problem tanking I can mitigate dmg just fine str tanking its not my fault they fail to do there job.

I have a feeling you are one of the STR tanks that forgets tank stance on massive AoE pulls and forgets CDs for tank busters. Otherwise no healer would be complaining.

Either way, in a few weeks STR tanks and VIT tanks will be dinosaurs, there will only be good tanks doing their jobs and outputting whatever the maximum DPS is, and bad tanks doing neither of those things, and we won't be getting lost in the haze of bullshit of all this "oh well he/she was wearing xyz accessories blah blah blah herp-derp-this-that-the-other lolololol wut a scrub", and no variances in STR vs. VIT will be masking poor play. So all you truly bad tanks out there right now, whether you're in STR or VIT, you're about to get exposed.

[yondaimeflash]

I'm full STR tank I enjoy the challenge of sacrificing my "tankiness" to output DPS that is MY choice. Honestly annoyed now that I am forced to play VIT because a bunch of crybabies have to complain.

Just nerf the shit out of all tanks at this point too. Make every skill "enhance enmity" and do only 50 potency. Cause to know we needz to hold hate and take hits. Make our CDs make us damn near invincible with out 45000k hp pools everyone thinks is required for fights. Please just break the classes more. GG!!!!

Thank YOU! that's what ive been saying this whole time. Thanks you are awesome.

[yondaimeflash]

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Sorry to disappoint you but no I don't forget to have grit on and darkness and the occasional Blood weapon when I need to I know how to tank and not once have I ever had a healer complain ive in fact been given compliments on my Str tanking and holding big groups of Aoe's pulls