VIT will scale with attack power, STR will scale but not as much

[Instrumentality]

I will say that this change is going to cheese some of A1S-A4S. With the additional 30-40% HP from full Fending, it's going to be kind of silly to see how little damage the tankbusters do by comparison. I just hope the 3.2 instances do proportionally more damage to compensate for this, or else Ex Roulette and Savage raiding are going to be incredibly boring.

Hypercompressed Plasma x 2. One shot for 40k, second shot for 25k. Make it happen, SE.

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

What is there to argue? SE took the easy solution and decided to give tanks the best of both worlds. Effective patch 3.2 no tank will ever have to think about balancing damage output with HP. Effective 3.2 we all get to have the most HP possible AND get the most damage possible at the exact same time. I finally get to eat my cake and still have it as well.

The point of stacking STR was to increase your damage, while you still did your job of holding emnity and surviving big hits. Desperately clinging to and crying about the loss of being a "lean" tank who could still survive encounters is petty. Good tanks have already gotten over this news. Good tanks were already prepping for this type of possibility. Good tanks are already looking at potential builds for when 3.2 arrives.

This decision, will absolutely wreck the majority of 3.0 content, with possible exception to A3s and A4s for tanks. Looking at Thordan EX as an example, a full STR (accs and stat allocation) can MT the entire fight of ThorEx. They can mitigate every single TB and the cleaves that can make things spicy during spots in the final portion of the fight. As of 3.2, I can use the exact same mitigation rotation, do the same amount of damage (most likely) and as an added bonus, go from 16k health to 21k health. Prepare for mass solo healing clears, or prepare for lazy tank buster mitigation.

One of my raid healers had this discussion with me this weekend. He made the comment that it will be much easier for him to heal my co-tank and myself after 3.2. I told him that if he didn’t think SE wasn’t going to adjust new content to absolutely crap out damage, either he is terribly mistaken, or he needs to meld accuracy on his raid gear so that he can SCH dps (or just start gearing up his NIN again). I believe that Syzygian is absolutely on point here, incoming tank damage will be severely increasing going forward. If you were a VIT tank who mitigated Heavenly Heel with just “Foresight” you are probably gonna have a bad time.

Going forward, 3.2 will mean that a good tank will be measured by their effectiveness to properly utilize cd’s and stance dance. DPS numbers will have a significantly shorter distance between floor and ceiling, but there will still be a difference.

[kensatsu]

what to argue, maybe tank argue too much also, you can see many full slaying/full vita fighting treads.

SE try to give what players finaly want.
I think this change is like reynhart said, because of the pentameld crafting accesories, but i think it's also because of all this VIT vs STR treads, also players stated the designed tank accesories is weak.
You see a lot of tread : where players is just saying Vita is weak everywhere...

I think SE is listening to players.

Maybe too much XD

The new savage raid certainly need to be a bit more damaging now

[Greven]

I'm glad they came up with this solution

[StouterTaru]

Dungeon trash auto-attacks one shotting dps, please look forward to it.

[MiniTyra]

BCOB days were the best days.

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

OK, there was a post earlier in this thread about accessories, and parry and future possible uses for STR rt side gear. I have gone through some numbers to show comparisons.

**********FULL DISCLAIMER**********
This is based upon the presently assumed stat weights for secondary stats. (as theory crafted by Dervy)
For simplicity I am treating VIT and STR as equals on damage calculations. This has been stated this will not be the case in 3.2.
For illustration purposes, I am basing this off present WAR stat weights. (.133 DET, .158 Crit, .125 SkS)

Total relative power > build type for the particular piece
Neck :
ESO+(f) 49 > parry/acc
G(f) 55.952 > crit/acc
ESO+(s) 57.702 > crit/sks
G(s) 52.586 > det/acc

Ear :
ESO+(f) 52.75 > acc/sks
G(f) 54.586 > det/parry
ESO+(s) 50.857 > acc/det
G(s) 57.809 > crit/det

Wrist :
ESO+(f) 52.857 > acc/det
G(f) 52.75 > parry/sks
ESO+(s) 51.74 > acc/crit
G(s) 56.357 > sks/det

Ring :
ESO+(f) 54.586 > det/parry
G(f) 53.74 > acc/crit
ESO+(s) 52.5 > sks/acc
G(s) 51.74 > acc/crit

Of course, SE has stated that they are reducing the amount that str effects damage, and increasing the amount that vit effects damage (to the point that VIT will be more impactful that STR). If we simply reduced the value of STR by a little over 5% (6.5% to be precise) the relative power on all (s) pieces would reduce by 3 points (I was going for simple math). This very small reduction would make fending pieces BiS for dps on every piece except for the earring and wrist by a very small margin ( .223/earring and .482/wrist)

With a miniscule reduction to the damage value on STR, even a perfect crit/det build won’t really hold up vs. a sub optimal det/parry build. The only place where a STR v VIT piece could come into question, is if the VIT piece is a acc/parry type build or acc/sks – parry/sks. Based on present gear, the largest split between these numbers is on the ESO neck piece (8.702 of damage stat). If SE puts the value of STR 19.15% lower than the value of VIT, these two pieces become equal.

While we don’t yet have exact numbers for stat weights, I feel safe in saying that SE is not going to only have placed a 6.5% difference in damage value between the two stats. I wouldn’t be surprised if the difference was at 25% or more, just to completely squelch any future thought of using str on a tank.

[DotsNnots]

So.. to someone who's been thinking about leveling up a tank, is this the official RIP of str tanks? I was reading about people having different gear sets a couple of weeks ago, so I'm just wondering if I should mentally throw out that information as going forward I'll 99.9% of the time only need to go full vit?

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

So.. to someone who's been thinking about leveling up a tank, is this the official RIP of str tanks? I was reading about people having different gear sets a couple of weeks ago, so I'm just wondering if I should mentally throw out that information as going forward I'll 99.9% of the time only need to go full vit?

"We will be changing the method for calculating the potency of physical attacks for tank roles in Patch 3.2. We’ll be making it so vitality affects the potency of physical attacks, and as a result the effect of strength on physical attack potency will be reduced.

From Patch 3.2 onwards, you’ll be safe using only vitality accessories as well as allocating everything to vitality as a tank. For everyone who is currently using strength accessories on their tanks, the damage will be lowered, so please prepare your vitality accessories ahead of time."

Direct quote, also on page 1. Based on the fact that SE blatently said:

"From Patch 3.2 onwards, you’ll be safe using only vitality accessories as well as allocating everything to vitality as a tank. For everyone who is currently using strength accessories on their tanks, the damage will be lowered, so please prepare your vitality accessories ahead of time."

There is 3 weeks until patch, unless you are raiding a3/a4 savage right now as a tank, I wouldn't bother with STR accessories (unless you are also gearing mnk/drg)

I would say its guaranteed that VIT > STR effective 3.2, the question is only by how much.

[DotsNnots]

From Patch 3.2 onwards, you’ll be safe using only vitality accessories as well as allocating everything to vitality as a tank. For everyone who is currently using strength accessories on their tanks, the damage will be lowered, so please prepare your vitality accessories ahead of time."

Thanks, I did read the notes, but wanted some tank-player input. Especially since what a game-dev says about the function in a game doesn't always equal what the player's experience....