Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[gamersince1976]

"Different playstyles"

*triggered*

[Belhi]

In DF if you find the performance of others acceptable or not is rather irrelevant. You have 3 choices. Vote Dismiss, leave or just ignore it and just role with it. There is nothing wrong with suggesting politely that they would be better off using a particular mechanic they are ignoring but if they choose not to there is nothing you can do to make them change and trying to insist on it can be seen as harassment.

Personally I assume whenever I join a roulette that the competence of those I'm grouped with is going to be unreliable. If I'm not up for dealing with poor players I don't queue for DF.

At the end of the day standards don't mean squat in random groups. This is true for all MMOs.

[Miakisu]

Why is this allowed? Why are people allowed to play DPS like its some sort of joke class
that doesn't matter? Why did everyone turn against me when I was in the right?

They turned against you because of the way you addressed it. You caused a problem for the group, so at least 2 people thought you were in the wrong.

Yes, you did start off with a straight call-out, which was fine. Yeah, he replied like a jerk. But you fell for his bait and started sounding just as antagonizing as he did. Don't fall for it, ignore him and move on. Vote kick him, leave or just get it done, really.

[xLucia]

I wouldn't be surprised if the people that react like a jerk when someone tries to help, are actually ex-WoW players. The attitude fits perfectly

[Twilite]

They are acceptable in the case of roulette because you can't exactly ask roulette to give you good DPS.

I wouldn't be surprised if the people that react like a jerk when someone tries to help, are actually ex-WoW players. The attitude fits perfectly

You been here since release, but low post count, lurk much? Because many folks here are from WoW. Some of us come from FFXI and before that PSO or EQ or whatever. Mmmhmm WoW players are pretty bad/spoiled. Heck, Yoshida stated that there's no real "elemental system(just fire and ice)" because of WoW players or something like that. Apparently WoW has no mechanics like that..

[xLucia]

You been here since release, but low post count, lurk much?

Haha yea I've actually been a FF14 player since 1.0. I don't browse the forums that much, and I don't usually feel the need to reply to topics unless I find them interesting enough to throw myself in there. I usually enjoy just reading the forums

On topic: I used to play WoW myself, but eventually I got sick of the childish and "rage at everything" behaviour, so quit playing it. Sadly it seems that this behaviour is starting to infect FF's community aswell Most people are still open to accept help I feel but I do come across some rotten apples from time to time.

[Radacci]

people are much to sensitive - you'd think they never heard any constructive criticism, in their entire life.
if someone is making a suggestion about how you can improve your dps.......then accept it?? at least it wasn't "your dps sux, you should go die"
it was a simple questions - maybe the BLM had some reason not to use it? if not, well...take the suggestion and use it...or is taking advice and improving your DPS, a sin, now-days? or was his/her pride, hurt?

This reaction comes to mind; but instead of evidence, it's suggesting how people can get better.

[Reinha]

I think it has to do with party size. You take one friend with you and you basically rule any dungeon group as long as you're fast at kicking. In groups of 5 or 6 people it wouldn't be as easy to get away with bad performance or behaviour.

I strongly disagree with the notion that dps are the only ones getting away with bad performance. They do get noticed and called out. Just see the topic of this thread. The underperformer was with a friend and that's why she never got kicked. Tanks and healers also get away with things depending on the group. Honestly the minimal standard is very low for them too but if they happen to fail, wiping isn't any more serious a concequence as the run taking long is.

All roles have bad players and all roles can sometimes get away with it, but people love glorifying tanks and healers and making their job seem super challenging and important compared to dps despite having an easier rotation and very few role checks in dungeons.

OP, I'm not sure what kind of an answer you were expecting to your question. "Because I'm a baddie/lazy" or "I forgot" or "What's enochian" or perhaps "I don't have it yet"? At that point you would probably want to point out that enochian is a dps increase and shoud be used. The thing is, you could have just said it in the first place without prying on their motives. Give advice and drop it at that, and you will avoid a lot of confrontations in the future. Just a tip.

[l1nk]

I just wonder did anyone of u noticed that fractal / neverreap are first lvl60 dungeons and fire4 is lvl60 skill. If that blm had pretty fresh gear I would suppose she had no practice at all yet and didnt understand how to make the best of use of enochian. I would only suggest about using fire4/bliz4 in that case, but if it was ex roulette or blm had i190+ I would do same as OP and ask "why arent u doing your job?"Why tank has to keep aggro and dps non stop and healer keep everyone alive and dps in spare time when dps can't dps?

[gamersince1976]

I just wonder did anyone of u noticed that fractal / neverreap are first lvl60 dungeons and fire4 is lvl60 skill. If that blm had pretty fresh gear I would suppose she had no practice at all yet and didnt understand how to make the best of use of enochian...

Not to single you out specifically, I've seen a lot of this in the thread:

First, the BLM skills that you unlock from 50-60 all lead up to the level 60 skill, Fire 4. It was the first job I took to 60, and frankly I was surprised that MORE jobs didn't change completely at 60. Everything you learn prior all leads to changing your rotation, specifically single target, to utilize Fire 4. Which, of course, requires Enochian.

Secondly, people seem to be forgetting about the Aetherochemical Research Facility - which is ACTUALLY the first level 60 dungeon. In fact, it's required before you're allowed to go into Fractal in the first place.

Of course learning the new rotation was a shock. It was awful and awkward and hard. When I started using it I'd drop Enochian all the time, because it was so foreign to me. But I practiced, and researched, and improved - because that's what's expected from my chosen role, which is blowing shit up.

Err... I mean DPS.

Anyway, I went a little off the rails there - my original point was, there's specifically another level 60 dungeon that had to be done before going into Fractal.