Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Kahnom]

I missed shark fin soup thread.

[listerfiend81]

Some people are strange like that.I had the party leader leave the A1 savage weekly clear group I was in because apparently,calling out someone for being clueless at his job and wasting everyone's time is "smack talk"...

[listerfiend81]

Hopefully the Beginners Hall will actually teach newer players on how to play their job more optimally as currently,there's no way you're able to gauge your own performance unless you're playing on a pc with an add on parser.

I do understand that SE might be afraid that it'll scare off the more casual players by implementing an in game parser,therefore I do hope they are able to find a better alternative as I don't think overprotecting the casual players is doing both them and the community any good.

[tjw]

I still find it funny that healers are the only forums where it's never their fault, while the other two forums have topics about how they messed up. Dem healer egos need stroking.

That topic is kinda half and half. I've seen numerous stories where the healer derped as well; usually with the helpful assistance of a poorly timed cleric stance.

Ciri - the topic has been debated to death in this thread, however, there is a difference between 'forgetting' to use a cooldown and neglecting it in favour of personal comfort and laziness.

[Nalien]

Hopefully the Beginners Hall will actually teach newer players on how to play their job more optimally as currently,there's no way you're able to gauge your own performance unless you're playing on a pc with an add on parser.

I wouldn't count on it. I mean, I'll just go from saying "Go compare Doton to Raiton on a training dummy" to "Go read how DoTs work in the Beginners Hall" and the people I'm saying it to will... continue to ignore me?

Honestly, I think they should just add a "parser" at the end of each run, somewhat similar to how PvP gives you an overview of your contributions. They can have a rough idea of how much a Job should contribute to any given dungeon run, so they can give a Rank at the end based on that. Doesn't have to be something anyone else sees, but it would be a nice way to push people towards getting good. I'd probably drop static tomestone rewards entirely, and base them on such a Rank instead, if someone gets carried, why should they get the same rewards? If you walk out of Neverreap with an F Ranking, you should get a reward that reflects what you did; Nothing. If you walk out with an S Ranking, for giving 110%, you should get extra rewards.

Do that, and you've got a system where people don't just know how well they're doing, they care how well they're doing. If someone is simply playing their Job wrong, they not only know so when they walk out with a D Rank, they have an interest in improving because a D Rank gives shoddy rewards.

Slightly harder to apply to Tanks and Healers, but enmity, the amount of damage taken, HP healed, and DPS can all factor into such a Rank. For simplicities sake it might be best to just count boss encounters, since trash mob pulls can muddle this somewhat, but yeah... It shouldn't be too hard to create a system like this, especially for DPS. Obviously not going to happen though, because it doesn't even happen in PvP; The player with 15 kills gets the same reward as the player on their team who got 15 deaths. It's fairly absurd.

[Ciri_Wolf]

Ciri - the topic has been debated to death in this thread, however, there is a difference between 'forgetting' to use a cooldown and neglecting it in favour of personal comfort and laziness.

And since there's no way to know if the BLM was being lazy or forgot, it's not really important. BLM didn't say either way. The ride TC assumes she was being lazy with zero proof. Every single person in this topic has forgotten a CD at some point.

[FeliAiko]

A response like "If we wipe we can discuss my rotation then" can hardly be interpreted as an 'oh sorry I forgot' moment here. It reeks of the typical lazy "I can play how I want, don't question me" attitude. No wonder it was then met with the "low standards" comment.

[Eul]

I missed shark fin soup thread.

I hope someone can redo it with another food

(Btw you can find it since that thread only locked not deleted)

[wicked-one]

It´s just as usual.

It´s a game, and some are perfectly fine with reaching the end whenever and however.

btw, is some free weekend or something, what i encounter the last 2-3 days is just hilarious.
ppl leaving already nerfed trials instantly, perfectly ignoring absolutely every mechanic, and yesterday it took me nearly a full hour of AV, with 3 new-chars at around lv.48

[Ciri_Wolf]

A response like "If we wipe we can discuss my rotation then" can hardly be interpreted as an 'oh sorry I forgot' moment here. It reeks of the typical lazy "I can play how I want, don't question me" attitude. No wonder it was then met with the "low standards" comment.

Assumption. I read it as "let's stop wasting 5 minutes arguing". Especially since she used it from what the WHM was saying. She was completely civil up till that point.