Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Ciri_Wolf]

I read the conversation is a vastly different way than you did.

From what I can tell on context, they had just received loot and presumably have had 0 chat thus far. BLM is not using Enochian, so not using Blizz4/Fire IV, and could presumably be using just Fire I and blizzard for MP. It is quite possible that they are a bot.

Even if you read it otherwise, I would read it more as a joke. "Hello? Is anyone there? Is this thing on?" due to the dead silence up to that point. I wouldn't take that as any sort of offense. The explosion that occurred afterward is not at all on the same level as the original message.

That's perfectly understandable. TC and BLM were still jerks. If you wanna teach someone, don't be a jerk. People will immediately tune you out. Since the BLM started doing what TC wanted, it was apparent that the BLM was willing to take advice. No way to know tone on internet, so you have to be careful what you say.

[EnoraTaqa]

Doesnt that also apply to the blm that didnt want to use enochian because "I don't want to"?

No because for the BLM, you guys have it wrong and you don't play the game 'his way'

[Reilyn]

Don't really have to, when I can just look at the time stamps and the rest of the conversation to know the "tone".

Actually no, no you can't. That's akin to saying 'I can read minds' or 'I can tell this guy is a murderer without evidence, just because he looks shady'. You're making guesses as to what the context is that made the OP ask his first question, which is clearly not there.

You do not know the tone. No one truly does except the people that were there.

And then right after the BLM answers with a smiley, he immediately goes into it.

So what you're saying is asking 'why aren't you using enochian' is 'immediately going into it'? Asking an honest question is offensive now?

That was the very next thing the OP responded with, and there's nothing aggressive about it, especially without tone.

If you can't see that, you're really dense. You're right, I don't know for sure. But neither do you, but you're desperately trying to defend TC being a jerk all the same.

He may or may not be a jerk. I don't even know the guy. You're painting him as one, when from what we can read in the chat log, he got attacked first. Asking questions =/= attacking someone.

He asked two questions.
First was answered sarcastically.
OP didn't make a scene about that.
OP's second was responded to with another question.
OP answered
OP was then told to shut up.

Did that OP really start it?

[Andrea]

Now you are going to the opposite extreme. There is a huge HUGE difference between someone doing their 2.0 rotation correctly and someone who only spams one skill.

Ok i'll agree that it is the extreme. Lets put it this way, I personally feel that if you know you could be doing better damage as a dps (e.g. not doing your 2.0 rotation at 60) and just not bothering to attempt it then you have no business being in a 60 instance.

[Ciri_Wolf]

Within the first two questions he asked that got him targeted? That's only what you'd like to believe.

No, within the entire screenshot. He's a jerk in the following lines. And somewhat on here.

Oh so you don't know for sure?

Stop adding tone and context that you can't even prove was there please.

Or you could take your own advice? I don't really need to, though, since the rest of his responses showed what kind of character he is anyway.

[EnoraTaqa]

If taken as a list of where to place your job's job priority, then yeah, I agree 100%. This is how most of the friends I play with play and the runs are always fast and smooth.

Also, I thought the OP was completely justified and polite, and did nothing wrong by raising the question the way they did. The BLM had a bad attitude about it right off the bat, which was unnecessary. All that had to be said if they didn't wish to use Enochain was "Let's just have a leisurely run" or something to that effect. The only reason the OP got kicked was because the tank was a fellow FC member and they were looking not to have any friction in the party. I just didn't comment way back on the first page when I first read the topic.

I see.

Yeah, it's like going into a roulette where you find 3 people are playing together. you either have to suck it up and play their way if you want your stuff done, else it's kick.

I find it very stupid to have inserted this option anyway. It has it's uses, but it's easily abused, because Humans..

the way we tend to play me and my BF, we are like, once we click and enter, doing our best to complete the run, unless it's obvious that we can't make it.

At least we say hi before the start

My BF a real chatterbox so if someone starts, well, we just received comments from Jenova (wow, wish we had people like you all the time)

my BF's reply: Come join us on Gilgamesh!

So yeah, some will be good, some bad.. it's a 'roulette' so anything goes!

Have fun guys

[Frederick22]

That's a bit better.

He starts off with passive aggression by asking the BLM he's a bot. Sorry but that's a bad start then and there. So jerk remark would obviously get a jerk response. Argument starts. He gets kicked out of the party.

It seem you have not still reading the thread.
The OP was not passive agressive, he didnt the right thing in asking.
The BLM and the Tank, sure they are 2 adults that cannot tolerate any world and most for them any kind of teaching will be agressive from them, being nicely or not. Very inmature and oversensitive.

[Ciri_Wolf]

He may or may not be a jerk. I don't even know the guy. You're painting him as one, when from what we can read in the chat log, he got attacked first. Asking questions =/= attacking someone.

There is no may or may not. He posted a screen shot of him being a jerk and getting booted for it. Getting attacked first doesn't give anyone the right to be a jerk as well. They're both jerks. Asking stupid rhetorical questions is not nice. It doesn't even matter if i can prove he was a jerk or not, because he proved it after the fact anyway. Can you prove the BLM didn't talk beforehand? Can you proved TC wasn't being a jerk? You can't, because all we got was a screen shot of a player who got salty over getting kicked.

[EnoraTaqa]

Actually, just saing. If a dps is doing high eminity is because his DD is really high and thet are probably doing an exelent job. Is the tank's job to secure that dps dont steal the aggro.
I myself found BLM/ DRG that were terrifing, downing the bosses really fast.
But appart from that, I totaly agree with you.

Why thank you

But what if the DPS iLVL overgear the Tank? I don't agree, everyone should check aggro bars with colors, and on your party side with A, 2, 3 etc..

So it's part of the game, a nice tool for everyone, not just for Tanks

DPS will switch targets, Tank will check to ensure to have it all squared red, and then less toll on healers, then you finish your stuff faster.

Everyone's happy!

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* I didn't even took into account that sooooo many of them are playing only one job, and.. not even bothering lvl the other 2 in order to get all their cross-class skills (not that long to get them), because hey, Swiftcast is not needed, got to 60 without it!

So yeah.. lots of different people in this game, what can we say!

[Reilyn]

Asking stupid rhetorical questions is not nice.

You can't prove it was rhetorical, or meant to be insulting. As I've said, I'll ask if some people I group with are bots if there's a lack of sufficient human interaction before hand.

Would that make me inconsiderate?

Can you prove the BLM didn't talk before hand? Can you proved TC wasn't being a jerk? You can't

Neither can you. The difference between us is the fact I don't use that grey area to paint him as the bad guy. You're using what you don't know to do just that.

You kept trying to add context of what the situation was like before hand to discredit him.

I read the words for what they are and nothing more.

The rest of the convo was less than tasteful on both sides, but this is where it all started in that picture: him being attacked for asking two questions, and answering one directly.