Why are low standards for dps acceptable?

[Archaell]

Also please stop with the stupid tic tac toe reference. I see the point you are trying to make but honestly ffxiv is way more complex then tic tac toe and it really doesn't fit this scenario.

It acutally fits really well. The tic tac toe aside, the attitude is spot on.

The game is a multiplayer game. It would be nice if people realised that when you decide to underperform, someone else has to pick up your slack.

At first low dps might not seem like a big issue, the things just die at slower rate, right? But the slow speed is actually making it harder for both the tank and healer. With bad dps the tank has to tank longer, which means more damage, which means the healer has to heal more, which means the healer and tank can dps less, which makes the run even slower. Basically one bad player is not just forcing others to the work, this person is also decreasing the performance of the whole team.

[AnaviAnael]

I'm not the only one who sees much of this community and yoshida's own viewpoint on damage parsers some time ago has a major problem in backwards thinking, and mentalities reflective of SJWs at the cost of leaving players ignorant, and silencing people who want to make people aware they need to improve because feelings may be hurt. I'm just less tolerant of it as time goes on, and I'm tired of mincing words. Sue me.

You aren't the only one. To be fair though, I think things have simply gotten worse since HW's release.

A ton of Balmung players posting here.

Let's be honest, the Aether data center has a lot of bad players. X_X

[RiceisNice]

First off, in TheUltimateSeph's case, it can be very easy to miss out on the job quests UNLESS you decided to max out one of the new jobs for the expansion. Most of the players new and/or old upon reaching HW when it released wanted to jump into the new stuff asap, which was all done in the new HW areas. Unless you were a DRK, MCH, or AST, no job quests from the other prior jobs took place in Ishgard. Sure, the quests will lead the player into the new areas, but the quests themselves were always right where they initially ended in 2.0.

You're really stretching it though if the implication is that you get no new skills for the entity of 50-60, which comes with an entire expansion, when previously you gained skills from your job NPC every 5 levels.At that point you're either severely tunnel visioning or you just didn't care for it (especially if it's going to the point of level 60, since this is the general range of the discussion). Not to mention the problem with the post you're referring to his that he basically coined knowing the fact that "you get new skills as you level" is elitism.

I mean there's benefit of the doubt, but there's even reasonable limits for that, nor was this example nessescarly relevant to the OP (where the problem was someone choosing not to use a skill and lowered their damage output as a result)

[dragonkyn20]

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I'm aware it wasn't relevant to the OP, but it didn't stop the countless other posters ripping Seph a new hole for being ignorant of his job. Not everyone pays attention to the obvious, sadly. Otherwise we wouldn't be having all these issues in the first place.

Also to further specify, there are those who are new to MMOs but are familiar with RPGs. Quite a few RPGs don't allow learning new skills past 50, so it's perfectly reasonable to assume the same, even though the assumption is wrong.

[RiceisNice]

I'm aware it wasn't relevant to the OP, but it didn't stop the countless other posters ripping Seph a new hole for being ignorant of his job. Not everyone pays attention to the obvious, sadly. Otherwise we wouldn't be having all these issues in the first place.

Partially because not being relevant is anotehr issue all together, and the fact that he practically labeled this expectation as "elitism", which is already a nasty can of worms in this community and further exasperates the rift between apparent "filthy casuals" (casuasl) and "elitists" (hardcore). It ended up not contributing much and somehow justify willful ignorance of your job mechanics.

[AnaviAnael]

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Rice, I swear to God, if I ever met you irl I'd buy you a beer. A big one. Please don't change and keep being awesome.

[dragonkyn20]

Partially because not being relevant is anotehr issue all together, and the fact that he practically labeled this expectation as "elitism", which is already a nasty can of worms in this community and further exasperates the rift between apparent "filthy casuals" (casuasl) and "elitists" (hardcore). It ended up not contributing much and somehow justify willful ignorance of your job mechanics.

Yeah, that bit of him calling it elitism was uncalled for, I'll give you that.

[Zangetsu]

I did a lvl 50 dungeon the other day and got screamed at for telling a person that the weapon they had on was terribly under level and that was the reason they couldn't hold hate. They made comments about how this was their alt and they had level a 60 character so they knew what the were doing. They had all lvl 50, i115 armor and accessories on but the weapon was lvl 47, ilvl 49. They would not even try to understand ilvl after i tried to explain it to them. They just stood by " Im lvl 50, the weapon is 47 whats the problem!!?" We were in amdapor keep (hard).

[Whiteroom]

Hope this isn't a double post, my post about not being embarrassed wasn't supposed to be taken as I just don't give a damn. It means I'm not going to let it get to me or make a big deal out of not knowing things about the game or performing to others standards. I will always try to play my classes better but if I screw something up or not play a class right I'm not going to be embarrassed about it. If that makes sense. Also please stop with the stupid tic tac toe reference. I see the point you are trying to make but honestly ffxiv is way more complex then tic tac toe and it really doesn't fit this scenario.

If you don't think it fits then you actually don't understand it.

It is very fitting to this conversation and your response to it. Knowning your skills is the easiest thing in the game. They all have discriptions of exactly what they do. You only get one at a time, and you get to practice with it for two whole levels before you get a new one.

Btw, no one, aside from some derpy few is aking people to preform perfect rotations in df, just to preform decently, which happens less often then you may think.

(Also, a half decent rotation isn't much more complicated than tic tac toe.)

[Zangetsu]

I feel like people get too much shit for telling others they are playing badly. I don't expect people in duty finder to play at savage level but don't be casting blizzard only on BLM. The fact the duty finder exists is why people lash back at you since you probably wont meet again. Duty finder has its pros and cons but this is a very irritating con. People are less tempted to lash back like that if you were stuck on the same server and they would most likely start learning to play properly sooner.