Strength Tanks

[Hayward]

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At some point, though, people need to recognize the need to get back in their lane and let other jobs do THEIR own jobs. This goes for healers, as well, who seem to find ways to get caught out while in Cleric Stance.

[Blitzace]

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Thats where the difference is between bad healer/tanks and good ones though.
And i've said it in a different thread before,

Healers -> First and last job is to keep everyone alive, what you do in between like dpsing is all bonus.
Tank -> Get hate and mitigate to the best of your ability and what ever you do in between of DPS is all pure bonus.

I mean, as a tank. When i have a healer that doesn't DPS so basicly just heals me every X seconds and then does nothing, i'm glad i sit in full STR and switch to DPS stance when ever i can.
As a healer, when i have a capable tank i can just DPS to get like 500-700DPS on average to speed things up quite a bit.

And the difference between a healer putting out 0 or 500+ is quite big. But once again... What ever they do in between as long as they keep everyone alive.

[Uhm]

Since I saw this thread I have payed more attentiot to the gear the tanks are wearing and I have yet to meet a strength tank that is fun to heal. Vit Warrior in Dusk Vigil had no problem keeping hate, had predictable incoming damage and good use of defencive cooldowns could have had a bit less HP but doesnt matter either way, no mana problem even with dps. Str tank in Vault got taken to half his health in one blow, absolutely appropriate gear, used cooldowns sometimes but maaan did I not trust that jumping HP bar. Everyone says if youre strength you have to use cooldowns, but War doesn't have that many... I am for a good mix, too much in either direction makes for a less functional tank from what I've seen.

[Malicewolf]

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You said it yourself. The 2nd tank used cooldowns sometimes. Meaning he wasn't being an optimal STR tank. And being STR tank requires you to be optimal to make it efficient. VIT isn't easier to heal. Infact, it's HARDER to heal because the hp pool is bigger, making your heals look worse. It's simply the fact that you have a bigger buffer which makes it "safer" as you have more time for the healer to derp around before having to heal you. For a good tank, it really doesn't matter which set they use. They will still be a good tank. Whether they are an optimal tank is another story.

[Blitzace]

First mistake, Two different dungeons. Correct me if i'm wrong but vault is quite healer intensive to begin with. espescially compared with Dusk Vigil...
Second of all, you're comparing two different tanks. You should compare the same tank(You can use your fc) And use both full str & full vit.

Difference is unreal for most dungeons/trials/raids its not even needed to use ANY vit what so ever.

[Berzullha]

Why are people using things like Dusk Vigil and Vault to defend their stance? Honestly STR or VIT dosn't even matter until you hit Thorden EX and Alex Savage. Before that your stats really don't matter.

Once you get into Savage btw having more HP than you need is just a waste of stats. For example Hypercompressed Plasma is going to hit you for 20-25k unmitigated anyway so unless you have almost 30KHP (which I don't think is possible yet) having more than 16-18k HP really wont help you.

[Blitzace]

The point is you can't compare the DMG you get from some bosses/mobs in difference dungeons thats just stupid... i could say the same thing just switch STR&VIT and all off the sudded the STR person in Dusk is godlike, Cause you'll have less trouble keeping up a good str tank than a full vit tank in Vault.

No one can't deny that VIT at this point is 99% useless. And once again. STR or VIT do what ever you like, Just don't think that VIT makes a bad STR tank a good one when he switches over. Not gonna happen

[Immut]

Why are people using things like Dusk Vigil and Vault to defend their stance? Honestly STR or VIT dosn't even matter until you hit Thorden EX and Alex Savage. Before that your stats really don't matter.

Once you get into Savage btw having more HP than you need is just a waste of stats. For example Hypercompressed Plasma is going to hit you for 20-25k unmitigated anyway so unless you have almost 30KHP (which I don't think is possible yet) having more than 16-18k HP really wont help you.

It does matter. Str makes for faster clears. faster = better. You could make the argument that being bad at the game doesn't matter until endgame raiding too, but that doesn't mean they aren't still bad at the game.

[Uhm]

Hmm, I admit comparing two different dungeons makes it a little invalid. But I stand with my point that I've never met a good strength tank before, meaning that I don't like the thought of not so high level people (like myself) running around like that. The only time I had a similar experiance was with a really undergeared tank (The Vault).
With "easier to heal" I'm not talking about keeping them at full health at all times it's just esier to predict the damage, and only when I can predict that the tank doesn't die in the next 3 seconds can I dps as well, which is nice.
I actually don't see many strength tanks though, it would be cool to get one that makes me go "Well, that was a fun run!" some day. With tanks that have mostly Vit stuff I just assume they have their points in strength. At least that's what I do.
I find it funny that people get so defensive about this, all three things are possible and this is really just an "my opinion is the only one that matters" discussion.

[Blitzace]

No its not Uhm,

I stated multiple times people can do what ever they want STR or VIT. i don't care, It the end it just doesn't justify the lose of DMG for more HP. i never had a issue keeping people up full STR besides the bad tanks that don't use cooldowns or don't know how to use t hem and even then i could usually keep em up. I run full STR on all three tanks and i rarely swap em out in the rare occassion that i do i will need the extra HP. But as it stands right now there is no need for DMG loss for more HP. might make the healer feel more comfortable, but thats just a mind trick. Had a warrior today actually. full vit, was losing hate to me as a healer... i mean come on. Should i call every single VIT player bad now? Nope. But he wasn't doing his job right,

No cooldowns, no overpower, barely any flash was used. IL around 190 running LV60 roulette, i find it more funny that people actually defend VIT as it is right now. But once again, if people wanna run full vit, mix or full STR. what ever makes them happy as long as they do their job as a tank.