Strength Tanks

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

i miss bacon thread...... but it was glorious while it lasted

honestly though, the argument on how you like your bacon is the same argument that appears here in these forums constantly STR v VIT. What matters is that you do your job and eat your bacon (tank and hold hate). Whether you prefer str or vit (chewy/crispy) at the end of the day, for the majority of content, it doesn't matter.

I joked about the extremism of bacon types and which side you must stand, but IMO, it is a wonderful analogy of this eternal argument. There are those who will argue for VIT only, there are those who will argue STR only (to the hp minimum atleast) and there are those in between. Yes, mods, you have every right to remove those posts, but in doing so I feel that you have failed to see the big picture. WE ALL LOVE TO TANK, and though I may disagree with how you bacon... errr tank, at the end of the day we are united under that banner of being a tank.

Sometimes we need a bit of levity and to take a step back and remember these things. Sometimes we need to laugh at the silliness of the situation and realize how ridiculous some of these stances take. Tongue in Cheek. Satire. An opportunity to see the results of the same type of argument while making fun of that argument.

I would encourage mods to place those posts back for these reasons listed above. (as punishment i shall not mention bacon in any other posts for the remainder of 3.1x)

Rest in Peace, Bacon thread. Like actual bacon, your existence was too short lived.

[Donjo]

Rest in Peace, Bacon thread. Like actual bacon, your existence was too short lived.

No, don't give up!

BACONBACONBACONBACONBACON!!!!!

[keyburz]

If a tank wants to wear strength accessories, fine do it. But you better not be the tank that also doesnt use cooldowns, which just so happens to be the only tanks that I've ever encountered that wore strength accessories. This is why I dont like tanks wearing strength. Because the bad tanks wearing strength are ruining it for everyone.
The good tank says "the healer seems capable, I'm considering wearing strength for this encounter." The bad tank says "DUH I wear strength! More damage! Works great with standing in the aoes as well, so I can have 100% uptime on damage!" Given the choice of a bad tank standing in aoes with vitality accessories or strength, i'll take vitality.

[Hayward]

If a tank wants to wear strength accessories, fine do it. But you better not be the tank that also doesnt use cooldowns, which just so happens to be the only tanks that I've ever encountered that wore strength accessories. This is why I dont like tanks wearing strength. Because the bad tanks wearing strength are ruining it for everyone.
The good tank says "the healer seems capable, I'm considering wearing strength for this encounter." The bad tank says "DUH I wear strength! More damage! Works great with standing in the aoes as well, so I can have 100% uptime on damage!" Given the choice of a bad tank standing in aoes with vitality accessories or strength, i'll take vitality.

In case anyone is wondering, THIS^^ is why I use the term "Leeroy Tank".

[kensatsu]

XD Duh ! Damaging if i advoid aoe i loose time on my GCD !

[Artemiz]

Just want to pipe and thank the contributors of this thread, as a returning player I only got my PLD to 60 yesterday but I've been reading threads like these so I have a better understanding of how to gear up, so far the only STR pieces I'm equiping are rings but I'm only at 15.9k HP with the gear I have. As my gear improves I'm going to be phasing out VIT pieces to maintain 16.5-17k HP, as a veteran FF11 PLD I know just how effctive damage is when keeping hate so to be honest this argument brings back memories of that game when the turtle PLD's simply wouldn't have it that a DPS PLD was far superior for maintaining hate, once Attonment came out though that argument was settled with ease.

I haven't contributed to the thread but like many others (I suspect) I have read it and learned from it, cheers guys.

[Blitzace]

Honestly. once again, STR or VIT do what ever you like.

But people defending VIT right now... you make me laugh. I'm fine with you going full VIT, honestly. if you can keep hate and do your thing, Thats great! But me and others, would like to get the most out of our classes, meaning We rather do more DMG than having a bit more HP which does nothing basicly. It doesn't reduce DMG. its just flat out more HP. Unless there is a big tank buster involved, VIT is not needed. is that bad? Maybe. thats why they're gonna change it probably.

But don't be bashing STR tanks cause you don't like the way people play. I like to get the most out of my class, be that when i'm tanking or healing or even on a DPS job.
And yes, ofcourse there are bad tanks. That has nothing to do with STR or VIT. have seen plenty of bad tanks in full VIT. that does not mean i'm gonna call every single tank with full vit a bad player.

No, thats the way they wanna play and if it works and they're not holding back their PT. thats perfectly fine. But in most content, the excessive amount of VIT is just not even remotely needed. and thats a fact.

[Hayward]

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At some point, though, people need to recognize the need to get back in their lane and let other jobs do THEIR own jobs. This goes for healers, as well, who seem to find ways to get caught out while in Cleric Stance.

[Blitzace]

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Thats where the difference is between bad healer/tanks and good ones though.
And i've said it in a different thread before,

Healers -> First and last job is to keep everyone alive, what you do in between like dpsing is all bonus.
Tank -> Get hate and mitigate to the best of your ability and what ever you do in between of DPS is all pure bonus.

I mean, as a tank. When i have a healer that doesn't DPS so basicly just heals me every X seconds and then does nothing, i'm glad i sit in full STR and switch to DPS stance when ever i can.
As a healer, when i have a capable tank i can just DPS to get like 500-700DPS on average to speed things up quite a bit.

And the difference between a healer putting out 0 or 500+ is quite big. But once again... What ever they do in between as long as they keep everyone alive.

[Uhm]

Since I saw this thread I have payed more attentiot to the gear the tanks are wearing and I have yet to meet a strength tank that is fun to heal. Vit Warrior in Dusk Vigil had no problem keeping hate, had predictable incoming damage and good use of defencive cooldowns could have had a bit less HP but doesnt matter either way, no mana problem even with dps. Str tank in Vault got taken to half his health in one blow, absolutely appropriate gear, used cooldowns sometimes but maaan did I not trust that jumping HP bar. Everyone says if youre strength you have to use cooldowns, but War doesn't have that many... I am for a good mix, too much in either direction makes for a less functional tank from what I've seen.