message from a player to part of the community about jobs

[Anathaer]

You, Sir, are missing the point. People come to MMO for the social aspect not to be told how to play the game and if you do your part good enough even if it is a bit unusual, then no one should complain. It would be boring if everyone battled the same and knowing SE there is more than one way. You must be one of those Elitists cause I never called anyone thus. But this is all I will say about this before it turns into a argument forum which I have seen plenty of times as well...

[FunkyBunch]

You, Sir, are missing the point. People come to MMO for the social aspect not to be told how to play the game and if you do your part good enough even if it is a bit unusual, then no one should complain. It would be boring if everyone battled the same and knowing SE there is more than one way. You must be one of those Elitists cause I never called anyone thus. But this is all I will say about this before it turns into a argument forum which I have seen plenty of times as well...

You've derailed the BLM rotation thread now...

[Anathaer]

You've derailed the BLM rotation thread now...

Actually it was a general thread made BY a BLM but about people letting them choose their own style. You can read the first post if you do not believe me. Yes she says it AS a BLM but the subject was not telling people how to play.

[AnimaAnimus]

You've derailed the BLM rotation thread now...

Nope I will get it back on track cause he failed to see my point as well.

I was actually going to make a post asking if enochain was still the top rotation (I haven't played blm since I cancelled my alt account a couple months ago, but I was able to keep it going nearly 100%), whenever I am in a dungeon, and even primal ex pts blms never seem to use enochain and just go back to the normal arr f1/3 rotations. I am to the point of being surprised if I see an enochain at all and the last 2 times I have they spammed bliz4.

So if I do bring my blm back up on this char enochain is still the rotation of choice? And up to how many mobs before you revert to the f2/flare rotation of days past, cause I see that a ton on 2+ mobs still too.

[FunkyBunch]

Actually it was a general thread made BY a BLM but about people letting them choose their own style. You can read the first post if you do not believe me. Yes she says it AS a BLM but the subject was not telling people how to play.

I made a joke. The community ignored the toxic player refusing to learn how to play their class and then the thread became how do you get better and people helping each other.
Then you de-railed the helpful thread by going back to the toxic past where you want to play sub-optimally and make the rest of your dungeon party pay the price.

Nope I will get it back on track cause he failed to see my point as well.

I was actually going to make a post asking if enochain was still the top rotation (I haven't played blm since I cancelled my alt account a couple months ago, but I was able to keep it going nearly 100%), whenever I am in a dungeon, and even primal ex pts blms never seem to use enochain and just go back to the normal arr f1/3 rotations. I am to the point of being surprised if I see an enochain at all and the last 2 times I have they spammed bliz4.

So if I do bring my blm back up on this char enochain is still the rotation of choice? And up to how many mobs before you revert to the f2/flare rotation of days past, cause I see that a ton on 2+ mobs still too.

The trouble is, during most non boss pulls, it's too hard to keep enochian up due to down time between mobs and with 3+ mobs it's better to do F2 and Flare anyway.
Boss fights though, you should be casting F4 as much as humanly possible. You want three rotations out of it as by the end of the third rotation Enochian will be up for cast again.

To start with you should try getting 5,4,3 then bump it up to 5,4,4 and 6,4,4.

[AnimaAnimus]

Ok, that's what I thought.

The horrible thing is even in bosses I never see enochain used so I wasn't sure. Blm always just spam f1/3. Even in things like Bis ex or Rav ex where I always thought it would be optimal in some situations.

I asked once if enochain was nerfed and no longer good when we weren't making the dps check (this was awhile ago of course) and got ripped a new one by the blm. But his excuse was that it was 'too hard' and 'barely makes a difference' and then after a wall of text about how he plays his job as optimally as he felt he should I was called an elistest and he left. The whole pt was dumbfounded since it was a simple and innocent question that wasn't intended to be snobbish in the least and everyone but the blm took it like that. That sensitivity can be real sometimes.

[Nephisto]

The trouble is, during most non boss pulls, it's too hard to keep enochian up due to down time between mobs. Boss fights though, you should be casting F4 as much as humanly possible.

This. Enochian during trash pull is useless, so the best is AoE and finish last mob with 2.X rotation. For the Boss fight, I think if some players stick on the 2.X rotation, it's because if you start the Enochian rotation, then have to dodge AoE, your brain try to evaluate where you were in the rotation and if there is enough time to cast another F4 or if you have to cast F1 or B3/B4, and then you are just doing nothing and you feel you are not doing your job as a DPS. So with the old rotation, you have the feeling you are doing something useful. I don't totally control the Enochian rotation right now, so sometime, when I'm confuse after dodging, I just naturally come back to the 2.X rotation a while, then try again the Enochian.

[Kuwagami]

I'm not sure the OP is even still reading these messages, but I'll try :

AskaRay, how many years of gamming do you have under the belt? I have over 20 years of gamming experience. 14ARR has only been online for a few years already and you tell me I must absolutelly follow the orders of those that believes themselves to be gods? I'm not a little lamb that will go and do what they want, I've met persons like them IRL, they're bullies that believe no one else is better than them. When they are unhappy about something, they usually hurt someone. here's a fact, no one is better and no one is worse, everyone is equal with me. I hate elitists who concrete pour something into a mold because it's the ''right'' way to do when in fact it just destroy. Pretty sure youre a borderline elitist too.

first thing first : experience on other games mean nothing. At most, only experience on MMOs has a meaning.

Second, every MMO is different, with different mechanics. And there are exceptions everywhere. FFxiv has such an exception : the black mage. While mages on most games and MMOs have to watch their MPs, FFxiv's BLM is totally different as it has unlimited MP ressources. Saving your MP pool is detrimental to your job as a dps. Your experience with mages on other MMOs doesn't mean crap when it comes to playing the BLM right.

Third, and probably the most important point : FFxiv is lacking a lot in diversity for the sake of balance. That means there is really only one way to play any and every job, especially when it comes to the dps roles. You have to constantly do X thing or keep Y debuff, etc... and if you don't, then you're doing it wrong. Not because people don't like your playstyle (like in talent tree MMOs) but because you fail at the unique playstyle forced upon you by the game.
So yeah, when you suck at it, and do not want to remain a bad player ad vitam eternam, you kinda HAVE to listen to more experienced players. Because they played this game longer than you did and mastered the mechanics better than you.

It would be boring if everyone battled the same and knowing SE there is more than one way.

You don't really know SE, do you ? I can't think of any job which doesn't have a playstyle set in stone. Because it's simplier for SE to balance everything if there is only one way to play. Also because Yoshida doesn't like talent trees or the likes because "people would play mostly the most optimal anyway". Direct quote from here :

Customizing characters besides just appearance?

We got several posts from players who wanted to be able to customize not only their character's appearance but also their skills and equipment for a particular job so that they could show some more individuality. This is a topic we've seen come up since the initial release of A Realm Reborn.

Yoshida: Right. So, if we did something like add mode A and mode B for dragoon, eventually people on the internet would examine them and choose which one was stronger. Then, when we created new content, the content would have to be based on whatever was strongest. There would be a lot of discussion about the job states like "that job is too strong" or "that job is too weak" and people would always choose what they felt was best. That's not to say a skill system like that would be negative, but the armoury system itself already allows you to play all of the different jobs. Since we already have that system in place, I'm not expecting that we'll make branches for jobs for the time being.

The flow of the game is to keep collecting higher performance equipment and challenging more difficult content, so of course you'll certainly want to figure out what works best. Some people only play their favorite jobs and in the end wind up playing whichever they feel is the most efficient.

Yoshida: We're working to get rid of those differences, but I wonder if it would be better to add a new job to make more people happy.

No doubt. I think FFXIV is the kind of game where you work to be most efficient. Do you think adding some more individualization will play any role in the game?

Yoshida: That's like a console game or MMORPG based on a skill system. With a leveling system, all the jobs need to develop side by side so it would be correct to say we won't be adopting a system like that in FFXIV.