Can we please stop locking content out of DF?

[vp_cmc]

No, he says, that some fights in this game require specific party setup. Not every job composition is ok for these fights until it becomes to be overgeared.

[StouterTaru]

paying monthly to a MMO doesn't give you any right to demand I should be having this equip, or have this fight in DF

Who is demanding stuff here? This isn't communist fantasy, where they tell us how to have fun. They do pay attention to feedback and suggestions.

"Throw this ball at that wall, and catch it when it comes back."
"Can I kick it, or bounce it off the ground."
"NO. THIS BALL. THAT WALL. NOW."

[Undeadfire]

Call me whatever you like since the truth hurts.

All dungeons, CT raid, Guildhest, Pvp, Alex Normal use the same server. This is what the Raid server avoids, the lag and congestion of having to wait for a slot to open up.

High End Raiding requires very low latency, voice communication, dps checks, food, Pots, reliability. DF will not provide those, and thus wiping during the 1st/2nd Phase 24/7 in the 1st few mins. It's a complete waste of time, and you call that nonsense? Really? Don't even talk about putting it in DF unless you cleared A3S and progressing/downed A4S. Those fights are on par with SCOB Savage Ilvl 115. Experience will never come forward in a DF group.

Once on DF, people will start complaining it's too hard and needs to be nerfed because I couldn't survive it, it ruins the whole experience for the raiders who wish for a challenge. This is another reason it stays off DF.

SE listens to feedback and suggestion but only if the "MAJORITY" vote on it, however only if it's reasonable to do so.

[Natashio]

And when it gets dropped into DF it gets nerfed anyways, so what's the point.



Yeah... I know. It's old content..blah, blah, blah, blah, blaaah.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Maybe I'm just not expressing myself in the right way then.


I want to try the actual endgame to see if it's exciting at all like I was promised by the people who convinced me to join in the first place. I have no way to get a group to do it and even find out. So I'm stuck with all this wasted time building up this character to hit that ilvl195 req for Thordan without any way to even see if it was worth it. It's depressing.

Part of that building requires leveling additional classes for cross skills. If you're unwilling to get Blood for Blood, the vast majority of endgame raid groups won't want you because you're sub-optimal to another Ninja who put the time in to get Blood for Blood.

[Ashkendor]

Maybe I'm just not expressing myself in the right way then.

Possibly. I do have to note one thing, though.

That seems improbable in a game this simple. How is it even physically possible to do that little in a game where "combat" is just point-and-click and pressing keys in the right order? I refuse to believe that it is possible to fail to master a duty in a single run through.

Sorry, I forgot that we had the "babby's first vidyagame" community and that somehow in a combat system that lets you pretend you're actually playing some people can still get confused.

Seeing things like this from you is what makes people think you're a troll. Have you even gone and looked at videos for any of the endgame content for this game? It takes weeks of effort to clear some of the raids, and you casually trivialize that without even having set foot in any of it. I mean, you're doing stuff like Alex Normal and Void Ark that's meant to be faceroll easy. My static's working on A3S now and even though we more than meet the gear requirement now, it's still hard.

Only for lack of a group who wants to bother. If only it were in DF...

The fight being in DF doesn't lower the DPS requirement.

Expert roulette is too boring/grindy to bother with eso gear. I meet min ilv for the whole game, that's plenty. I just need to run it now.

Upgraded Eso gear has more primary stats than Void Ark gear, meaning you do more damage just by wearing it. Optimizing your secondary stats can also do a fair bit for your damage output. Item level is far from being the end-all measure of DPS capacity.

And if you seriously expect me to get 2 combat classes up you are insane. Who has time for a grind that boring? The length wouldn't be THAT bad if there was even an ounce of satisfying gameplay to be had through it, but there's not. Just spamming point-and-click not-combat for an eternity. I can't even stomach LNC enough to get b4b. It's not worth it. It's too BORING.

So you're a DPS that's purposely gimping your damage by 10% every 80 seconds. Okay.

I want to try the actual endgame to see if it's exciting at all like I was promised by the people who convinced me to join in the first place. I have no way to get a group to do it and even find out. So I'm stuck with all this wasted time building up this character to hit that ilvl195 req for Thordan without any way to even see if it was worth it. It's depressing.

I wouldn't want to take a Ninja without B4B either. Cross-class skills are an important part of optimization. If you don't feel they're worth the time, you're going to have a hard time finding people that feel it's worth their time to take you into endgame.

[MeiUshu]

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and meanwhile, everybody runs unsync because well is not Worth the effort to the content (ex mostly) sync...how is this better ?

[FoxyAreku]

Maybe I'm just not expressing myself in the right way then.


I want to try the actual endgame to see if it's exciting at all like I was promised by the people who convinced me to join in the first place. I have no way to get a group to do it and even find out. So I'm stuck with all this wasted time building up this character to hit that ilvl195 req for Thordan without any way to even see if it was worth it. It's depressing.

Open party finder. Hit "Recruit Members". Make a group and label it 'learning party'. Wait for it to fill, queue up and go.

Man, that was difficult. Admittedly you may wait awhile on some servers, but if you wanna do it that badly it shouldn't be a problem for you.

[hagare]

Call me whatever you like since the truth hurts.

All dungeons, CT raid, Guildhest, Pvp, Alex Normal use the same server. This is what the Raid server avoids, the lag and congestion of having to wait for a slot to open up.

High End Raiding requires very low latency, voice communication, dps checks, food, Pots, reliability. DF will not provide those, and thus wiping during the 1st/2nd Phase 24/7 in the 1st few mins. It's a complete waste of time, and you call that nonsense? Really? Don't even talk about putting it in DF unless you cleared A3S and progressing/downed A4S. Those fights are on par with SCOB Savage Ilvl 115. Experience will never come forward in a DF group.

Once on DF, people will start complaining it's too hard and needs to be nerfed because I couldn't survive it, it ruins the whole experience for the raiders who wish for a challenge. This is another reason it stays off DF.

SE listens to feedback and suggestion but only if the "MAJORITY" vote on it, however only if it's reasonable to do so.

you seem to be thinking people are asking for it to be ONLY on DF.
here's an advice: Don't use it if you don't want to.

I don't get people's mentality about other people using DF for content.
It's not like you're forced to use it. PF is always there, premade is always there.
Having content put on DF at the same time does not effect those two.

Besides both have it's pros and cons.
DF has a larger pool of player.
DF has a more flexible scheduling.
DF content usually has a more rigid strat.

PF has better prep since you can discuss strats while you wait
PF an advantage of having people that has reached a specific point of the raid (P3 learning party etc etc)
PF can better set the party comp, so no 4 SMN party

as for randoms in your party, like you don't play with randoms in a PF party.
Difference is, DF just has a bigger pool of randoms that joins you xD

as for statics, do I really need to put in the advantages of having a static

as for all the complaining about difficulty, I guess no one complained about Alex Savage. A completely premade/PF experience.

Open party finder. Hit "Recruit Members". Make a group and label it 'learning party'. Wait for it to fill, queue up and go.

Man, that was difficult. Admittedly you may wait awhile on some servers, but if you wanna do it that badly it shouldn't be a problem for you.

let's be real here. that awhile may end up being 3 hours or more depending on content and server.
A problem that can be alleviated by having it on DF which has a bigger pool of players since it includes the data center and not just the one server.
And guess what Yoshida is planning on doing to fix one of the problems of not having enough people do alex savage, making a data center wide party finder.
When he could've just put it in DF :P

[Colorful]

This is needed more than ever for "Extreme" fights, not when they're dated and irrelevant content. After the first week of Thordan you were lucky to ever see a group that asked for anything less than meteors, no problem right? Start your own group. It filled up very quickly and you got your progress in on a high pop server. Now 2 months over launch? Yeah, good luck getting a farm party, let alone a practice party filled up (2 hours several times, always ends up disbanding before even half is filled).

I'd rather deal with DF players than have no chance to participate in the content, I know the fight, but I'm not about to form a farm party as that's a dickish thing to do. I don't even know how players on low pop servers do it. To all those against this, why? You're not going to be forced to do it. It literally doesn't affect you in the slightest.