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  1. #751
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    ScarletDawn's Avatar
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    The amount of tanks that do not know how to click off regen while its still on before they pull is insane, then suddenly i get blamed for having regen up on them...i never regen before a pull ofc, but sometimes groups die faster then then 20 seconds regen is active, so it remains up.


    I macros divine seal + regen then pop PoM on large group pulls, spam Assize every time its off cd, and help with Aero 3 since its easier then spamming holy which takes a while to cast and burns alot of mp. Spamming holy got a major nerf and sometimes is not worth it.
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  2. #752
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    T'erra Branford
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletDawn View Post
    Would you prefer i let the tank drop to 40% hp before healing? Spamming Cure 1 is more MP efficient then using larger heals, not only that the free cure proc is pretty handy. So you can get a high healing rate for very little mana use, the issue comes down to cleric stance cd, which is 5 seconds, in a large mob group 5 secs is enough time to kill a tank.
    Do you not prep for dps? This may be why you find it hard. You should always have at least regen on them when you go to cleric. For example the first pull in St. Mociannes, all the way to the barrier. Divine Seal, Regen, Asylum, top up tank, Cleric, Swift-Holy-Aero III-Assiez-Holy as many times as allowed-Cleric-Tetra-Shroud-Cure II.

    Mana effiecency only matters when you don't have enough PIE. At least as far as pure healing goes, there is no skill or secret to spamming cure for cure II procs. This mana efficency is the most basic kind. If you can spen MP, not steal hate, and get it all back, go for it.

    Also, you realize Holy is a stun right. Usually with the above cast chain I see one hit on the tank between the first holy and third holy.
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    Last edited by Whiteroom; 01-10-2016 at 01:35 AM.

  3. #753
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    Silica-chan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickXRolled View Post

    If you and one other person apply for a job at the same time, whomever is hiring will check what you are capable off before making a decision. If you can only meet the bare minimum requirement to perform the job and the other person can not only perform the job, but also do many other tasks and do them more efficiently. Who do you think will be deemed superior and hired?
    Except in RL I get rewarded for giving everything.
    What do I get for doing it in this game?

    More exp? No
    More Gil? No
    More tomes? No

    As long is this game does not reward you based on performance I won't do more than I need to get things done.
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  4. #754
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletDawn View Post
    The amount of tanks that do not know how to click off regen while its still on before they pull is insane, then suddenly i get blamed for having regen up on them...i never regen before a pull ofc, but sometimes groups die faster then then 20 seconds regen is active, so it remains up.

    I macros divine seal + regen then pop PoM on large group pulls, spam Assize every time its off cd, and help with Aero 3 since its easier then spamming holy which takes a while to cast and burns alot of mp. Spamming holy got a major nerf and sometimes is not worth it.
    Holy is still efficient the first 3 times it's cast as long as the targets are vulnerable to stun, which most trash mobs are. As long as you got the first Holy off you can safely cast it at least two more times at zero risk to the tank and still have a second left to switch out of CS+Tetra or Bene if necessary. The only time Holy isn't worth it is when you're low on mana to begin with. If your mana pool is close to full, use it. It's equivalent to 3-6 seconds of invincibility - the damage on it is a bonus.

    Again, you shouldn't be held accountable for bad tanking. If the tank rushes in while you're in the middle of casting Stoneskin or while they still have a HoT ticking and then blame you for taking aggro, that's on them, not you. Most tanks I've seen can just grab the rest of the pack off of you, though, especially if you're running in to Holy.
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  5. #755
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silica-chan View Post
    Except in RL I get rewarded for giving everything.
    What do I get for doing it in this game?

    More exp? No
    More Gil? No
    More tomes? No

    As long is this game does not reward you based on performance I won't do more than I need to get things done.
    But you do, considering that you get more done in the same amount of time, not that I'm a fan of these analogies. You get more of every reward per hour, and move on to the next job. Consider it a comission based job. So yes, you do get rewarded more for faster completion.
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  6. #756
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
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    Sure i could do this, but its optional, not mandatory..my role is healer, which is to make sure no one dies and everyone is kept healthy..this game has been forcing this stupid mentality of healers MUST dps because of the dps checks...um no DPS just need to get better if we cant meet dps checks then its the DPS not doing their job properly...

    With the poor Acc on healer gear we add like what 200-300 more dps? Why cant those dps optimize their rotations to get that extra? Why should i be forced to dps because the DPS are lazy and slacking or not fully doing their job? Im doing my job 100% because my job is to heal the group, not to assist in DPS...

    I do not see a Healer/Dps flag when i que for duties.
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  7. #757
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silica-chan View Post
    As long is this game does not reward you based on performance I won't do more than I need to get things done.
    Im fine with people having that attitude towards it but how on earth can you say it isn't lazy after saying what you just did.

    You essentially said "I do as little work/effort as I possibly have to"
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  8. #758
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletDawn View Post
    Sure i could do this, but its optional, not mandatory..my role is healer, which is to make sure no one dies and everyone is kept healthy..this game has been forcing this stupid mentality of healers MUST dps because of the dps checks...um no DPS just need to get better if we cant meet dps checks then its the DPS not doing their job properly...

    With the poor Acc on healer gear we add like what 200-300 more dps? Why cant those dps optimize their rotations to get that extra? Why should i be forced to dps because the DPS are lazy and slacking or not fully doing their job? Im doing my job 100% because my job is to heal the group, not to assist in DPS...

    I do not see a Healer/Dps flag when i que for duties.
    Well yes it's optional, that has never been the argument. You do have the option to play the lazy way. Healing is your primary job when queuing as healer. It is your most important task, but it is not the only thing you are there for. Doing the bare minimum is lazy is what is being discussed here. Also, 200-300 dps? You have displayed a large lack of knowledge of the class with your posts, single target on dummies a WHM can push 800, and in a big pull scenario WHM is almost unmatched in burst damage, the more mobs the better.


    Also, "the others are being lazy so I'm not trying." Still means that you are being lazy, I hope you realize this. Hell that attitude is mediocracy at it's finest.
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    Last edited by Whiteroom; 01-10-2016 at 01:45 AM.

  9. #759
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrea View Post
    Im fine with people having that attitude towards it but how on earth can you say it isn't lazy after saying what you just did.

    You essentially said "I do as little work/effort as I possibly have to"
    I do what I signed up for which is keeping the group alive at all costs I don't see where this is lazy.
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  10. #760
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrea View Post
    Im fine with people having that attitude towards it but how on earth can you say it isn't lazy after saying what you just did.

    You essentially said "I do as little work/effort as I possibly have to"
    A lazy healer is the one that stands there with full mp, if you have mp use it for something healing or dps, but im not required to use it for dps. I have 14k mana(Yes im not best geared) but hey i can use it im not going to stand there doing nothing.
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